At 11:52 PM 1/25/2006, Geoff Deering wrote:
                <header></header>
                <nav></nav>
                <article></article>
                <aside></aside>
                <footer></footer>

Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure?
...
The second does this by the semantically defining the presentation structure. (IMHO)


Geoff,

You can certainly make a good argument that <header> and <footer> denote positional placement on the page -- header means "at the beginning" and footer means "at the end" -- but I don't see how <nav>, <article>, and <aside> convey presentation -- they individuate the various parts of the page and convey the semantic meaning of each, but communicate nothing about how they'll be presented.

How does <nav> "semantically define the presentation structure" while <table>, <ol>, and <h1> do not?

Curiously,
Paul
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