Standards freaks are not against JavaScript, please pay attention there.
But Standardistas DO want sites to have a useful option available for
people who have javascript turned off so THEY can contact you as well.
So providing a server side form for people with Javascript turned off
would be a useful gracefully degraded JavaScript option.
Why was this solution not an option?
BTW: which javascript solution did you try that you can recommend?
Joe
On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:58, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My 2 cents: I'm one of those "standards freaks". But when my clients
became overwhelmed with SPAM from their contact forms I had to bend
the rules. And when I say "overwhelmed" I'm talking about several
hundred SPAM emails for every one or two legitimate inquiries. I
tried many "standards compliant" anti-SPAM techniques but the
SPAMmers always found a way around them.
Then I used JavaScript. It worked. It's still working. Not one
single SPAM has gotten through in over two years.
One could argue that JavaScript renders the contact form unusable
for five percent of the population. But without it, the SPAMmers
would render it unusable for a hundred percent of the population. My
clients aren't going to sift through hundreds of emails to find the
needle in the haystack. I wouldn't either.
It's not possible to make everyone happy. Use your best judgment.
-- Marcello :-)
-------Original Message-------
From: Chris Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [WSG] a good practise for adding email link (mailto)?
Sent: Jun 16 '08 10:18
Michael,
What if JavaScript isn't enabled or available on my smartphone? I
presume your websites are not for people accessing the web while on
the move, as well as people whose preference or requirement is to
use a web client without JavaScript.
These "standard[s] freaks" you seem to think so little of *are*
trying to make the web a better place for users - by levelling the
playing field, making things fairer and ensuring we all stick to
the same high standards. You can choose not to do that which is
fine by me - my websites will gladly accept the visitors (and
customers) who can't use yours.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Persson
Sent: 16 June 2008 10:53
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] a good practise for adding email link (mailto)?
The best way is a form that also has a secure SPAM code or just
make a image
that search engines cannot read...
I believe that people that does not have Javascript working are not
using internet
for the purpose i produce websites for, and im sorry we cant accept
all
kind of users.
Also users has to follow the standard where website production also
is
based in
the clients need and NOT on web standards.
Standard freaks are trying to make things better for web standards
and
not for the clients
or visitors in general...
There is a war and it will always be there.... until understanding
from
all parts are met.
Michael
James Leslie wrote:
Why is this the "best way"? It means that anyone without JavaScript
enabled cannot contact you. Spam is a pain, but not giving a user
the
basic opportunity of contacting you is a bigger problem IMO.
I think mailto's and spam filters are the "best way" to go, as they
are accessible for everyone.
J
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Fuji kusaka
*Sent:* 13 June 2008 05:23
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] a good practise for adding email link (mailto)?
Hi
The best way is to encrypt the email address and make use of a js.
This will avoid loads of problems specially spamming.
This is simple just follow the instructions here
http://jumk.de/nospam/stopspam.html
Fuji
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:22 AM, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
This is one of the thing I can't decide. At time, it seemed
nothing wrong to have an email link (js encrypted, not mailto
that
shows email address nakely to Mr. Spam King), but as many people
are actually using webmail, or sometimes access websites via
public computer (internet cafe or library for instance), I find
that having email link actually is causing usability for users.
When client insists on having direct email link. What do you do
so
that it won't cause problem for above users?
Thanks!
tee
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