Great post, Laura! Very true. When Sasha played here on NYE, he lasted 1/2 hour and let Digweed pick up the rest. He was 'tired'. I have seen exhausted Detroit DJs still create magic and play 4 hours plus.
I guess Shakira qualifies as a positive Middle Eastern pop icon but much has been said how Sony is stressing her Latin ancestry, not her Lebanese roots. ---------- >From: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] >Subject: [313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:17 AM > > I wish to relate two stories about the UK djs in question: > > -Dunno bout Digweed in particular, however when Sasha first came to Detroit > way back when (circa 1994-95) NO ONE really knew who he was, he played > flatline, put-you-to-sleep music of no consequence, in other words, drop > needle...no reaction...to an empty 'house'. > > -Much, much, much hype later....fast forward to WMC 1998 and the MTV beach > house party simulcast via their AMP show. Sasha preceeded Juan Atkins on > the turntables to again...an empty house of hype...no vibe...people sleeping > on the couches (literally...no lie) and asking when the food was gonna > arrive. > > Juan took over and within a mere two hours the police were there to see why > there were so many cars blocking the street.... cameramen everywhere. I > barely 'squoze' myself outta dere in one piece. > > Moral of the story: Great Hype versus Great Music??? We all know the > answer to that one. > > THAT.... is the main reason we object to these cats coming to Detroit. > They're makin' 10-fold what we've been able to affect in this biz, strictly > on hype/marketing development/$$$-driven promotions behind them--and > therefore have become the POSTER CHILDREN of our musical arena. > > In and of itself, that ain't a bad thing. Yeah, it's a free world, cool > they're getting their biz groove/swerve on, yeah > coolgroovycoolgrooovycool--but they need to get offa Detroit's jock and make > some funky music on the calibre of Juan Atkins in order to get my props or > to stop me from being their musical nemesis. Why???? > > They represent the PERFECT microcosm of the macrocosmic economic argument of > black musical innovators dying poor or in relative obscurity or both (for > various reasons, sometimes self-inflicted...we know) due to the white > imitators being blessed with ALL of what should have been THEIR > opportunities. > > If ANYONE can answer or explain THAT anomalie to me, well then this thread > will have been well worth its weight in time and bandwidth and this list > just for fluff and promotion. The only answer i can figger is that VERY few > black artists slip pass the radar (Michael Jackson, "damn...the next thing > you know black and white folks'll be sleeping together...." ) of the white > machinery consistently spittin out heroes of slight redeeming quality---in > their own image. > > They got dat routine down to a fine art and if they (uh-oh...dere's dat Nazi > word again...) coulda figgered out how to write all 'eck-niff' folks outta > their script---dey woulda done so save for the peeps who were/are NOT > COMPLETELY APATHETIC and made that global woe an impossibility. > > Right now peeps are sensitive to the fact that the machine is specifically > attuned to Arabic/Mid-Eastern folks as the enemy....... Have you ever > wondered WHY there are ABSOLUTELY NO postiive Arabic/Mid-Eastern role > models/heroes (across the artistic board) EVER, EVER in American pop > culture????? C'mon, peeps use your headz!!!!!!!! This war is only > symptomatic of rampant and long-term propaganda. If you want to control a > country/its peeps.......control its culture (errrr, Carol Marvin??) > > Dis shit IS of TANTAMOUNT importance--RIGHT NOW!! Propaganda IS the > enemy......therefore FUKtrance, as it TRULY IS seeking to REPLACE our > musical heritage AND MY INCOME goddamnit!!!! > > As they COULD NOT create what Detroit was creating--they imitated at a far > less intellectual level and called it Trance. They STILL don't got it, they > STILL got to rip off or sample black artists that came before them and > flounce it up wif a candy coating------Why dey do dat??? Cuz we made it > coolgroovycool and they wanted their piece of the pie...cept they want it > all......they aren't coolgroovycoool at'all. These type Brit-fad faggots > act as though we are all STOOPID and inept, I know, as I've sat across the > bargaining table with them many times before. They start out all cool, but > eventually give no respect $$$. > > Moby is one of the KINGS OF DANCE according to the world and only because > he's white and has proximity perks to the industry in NYC. NO OTHER REASON. > It's certainly NOT because he is the shit. He's innovated NADA. He > created NADA. Neither have Sahsa or Digweed. Yeah, Moby had a coupla > okeydoke coolgroovycool tracky tracks and had the Detroit power trio on a > coupla his tours..(credibility politics) but he has been signed and dropped > by 3-4 MAJOR labels with little to no effort. > > Why not Juan Atkins?? Blah, blah, blah... hear come your uneducated and > 'skewed without the facts' retorts.... But Moby didn't break down a single > social or technological barrier.....Juan did (what?...a black man?) and has > YET to be signed to ONE major as a mainline, beaucoup marketing and > development $$ behind him, artist. Michael Jackson was the first black > artist to be played on M-TV. That was little under 20 years ago and ONLY > because Sony/Columbia threatened to withhold all their other artists videos > if they didn't play his shit. > > You don't hafta be a reactionary, but certainly DO NOT criticize those of us > who have undertaken a mission to break those chains and garner the success > that we all rightly deserve that HAS BEEN PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN to come > with no stress, no hassle, and even less intelligence or talent--to the > white man. > > While the fact that those cats are coming to Detroit is of little concern to > me.....your assinine and insensitive comments ARE. If you're merely a > consumer content with the latest DJ or thing coming to a club near you, then > don't speak to the business which you obviously know nothing about. > > This list is chock full of pitbulls n' bitches, battle scar driven to > survive and you're travelling in well-pissed territories...puppy. My > comments here are war-won and earned by the ardent need and struggle to > survive. I AM 313 and will remain so loooooong after Motor or Clear Channel > / SFX / Ritual Productions / Motor productions (who BOUGHT OUT S&D'S ENTIRE > TOUR) have moved on to the next flavor--like the locust swarm that they are. > > They actively lowest common denominator market and are within the walls of > our citadel looking to consume the life out of our market and brand our > music to the latest corporate behemoth trying to move their hemorrhoid > cream. Every record sale that they make, every new fan they develop as a > result of shit like this....will be one less score for us AND good music, > you clod. > > It's called competition!! We've got bills to pay via our music and > business. > > The fact that this past year brought many a sonic warrior in this city > nearly to their knees (they won't admit it....but i will for them) makes > this subject doubly intense. Amir Daiza of Clear Channel /SFX / Ritual > Productions/ Motor Productions is intent on owning and controlling every new > music genre/taste in every major market in America and is directing it from > his vulture perch in Royal Oak. It is a fact that Amir has had a 3 year > contract to book talent for the DEMF(u tell me what that's about??). He > owns, St. Andy's, Clutch Cargo's and now the State Theatre and controls > every other major venue in this market except Cobo and the Joe > > Perhaps you have no payroll, rent or mortgage or expensive ass phone bills > to pay, but WE do. Every time a Sasha Digweed kinda dude is peaking > somewhere, you can bess believe there are many underground cats goin down a > peg or two. Every time they chart, we get bumped down a peg or two. > > Don't anyone try to tell me that what happened at last year's feeding frenzy > of a DEMF didn't matter, cuz we lost market share to the great white sharks > that were circling/marketing and promoting with far bigger budgets than > ours. Ford Motor Co. bounced offa us like a trampoline and onto the tour > that made Moby King in america. Not Juan Atkins. Is Ford Focus Detroit > Techno?? Moby made millions, Juan didn't break 5 figures. > > Our only strength IS our music, which we still can't get played on the radio > stations that Clear Channel/SFX/Ritual/Motor ...etc. has a massive monopoly > on, but are Top-40 overseas....don't you get it yet??? Clear Channel now > owns over 2000 radio stations coast to coast. That's a lot of > minds/appetites to control. > > While music Knows no color/sex....the machine controlling its expression > ABSOLUTELY DOES with specific and selfish purpose. He (not she) who > controls the radio/tv stations controls the propaganda machine--STEALS > ELECTIONS and becomes the most powerful man in the world. > > This list IS the INTELLECTUAL and artistic anti-thesis of that machine. Our > rhetoric is impeccable--grounded and educated from a global > perspective...cuz we travel and sell records DIRECTLY almost everywhere on > this planet. We fully grasp every subtlety and nuance of this > argument--because it DIRECTLY affects us in the trenches where most battles > are won/lost. This is the new millenmium and STILL the revolution WILL NOT > BE TELEVISED. > > This music is ABOUT A CAUSE associated with higher mindedness and is truly > struggling right now because the good ole white boy network has infiltrated. > If you don't grasp that yet, i'll recommend a few rave-lists for you to > enjoy where they are of like mind. Or perhaps you'd like to try this same > shite remarks on the Drum N'Bass Arena list--again mostly black music. > They're struggling to maintain their identity now as well up against the > Aphrodite's, MJ Cole's and various other white imitators garnering more > money while they trivialize the music. Musically...hell no, but > financially....struggling. Some folks on that list would HUNT YOU DOWN and > make us 313 snobs look domesticated. > > And if/when you've dedicated YOUR life's work to the betterment of any one > thing....I mean 10, 15, 20 years worth....then you can trivialize it. DO > NOT attempt to 'police' this list---of any list on the net, cuz you will be > charred. Simple respect will do for now and if you can't do that, then just > stifle. > > -arrogantly offered > >>From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! >>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:35:04 +0000 >> >> >>>Finally Detroit will be privy to the dj wizardry and production >prowess >>>that is Sasha and Digweed >> >> >>god this whole look-how-313-elite-i-can-be contest you all are in is gonna >>get old REAL quick today. As soon as i saw the announcement of sasha >>digweed comin to detroit, i just waited for the flood of 313 approval >>seeking emails to flood in. >> >> >>and look, here they come. i'm gettin a life preserver. >> >> >>Motor is certainly not a perfect club, but i personally feel fucking >>blessed >>to have it around. how many other clubs in this area would bring in ben >>sims? laurent garnier? Dj Krush? dj food? fucking HERBERT? precious >>magda? kooky? Fuck, how many other clubs in the MIDWEST do that? And >>damn, motor does it on a consistent basis. *most* other clubs out there >>bring in major talent on a biweekly or monthly basis; motor does that shit >>everyweekend. >> >>and now they bring in the sash and digster, and you all wait to pounce on >>it >>to declair yourselves the kings and queens of detroit snobbery. Am i happy >>they're coming in? fuck no i'm not. do i COMPLETELY understand that motor >>IS a club, and that they do need to make money, and yes they are in it for >>the money? yes i do. Let them bring in sasha and digweed. DON'T FUCKING >>GO. sit at home on a broomhandle and listen to the latest matmos, and shut >>the fuck up. It doesn't kill you to have the two retards in detroit for >>the >>night and HELPING MOTOR PAY for bringing in other acts that don't bring in >>the dough. >> >> >>Just shut up about this. its pointless. >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
