<Missy Elliot (and by her I mean her whole production crew) uses extremely <modern production techniques in the arena of pop/Rap music- she seems to <have a very open minded attitude when it comes to influences and has <absorbed (successfully) a lot of elements from more "underground" electronic <forms.
She even ha a Code13 tshirt in her one minute man video (for those that dont know Code13 is a minneapolis crust band. crust is justa another extreme form of punk music. very DIY.) fab ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Brunton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "spw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: techno > OK dokey, > > > > > people (cultures) are no longer separated by distance because of > > technological advancements. > > Individuals may be more easily connected across the globe but it doesn't > necessarily follow that those peoples' cultures are automatically more > connected on a more general level or that there is a greater sense of > co-operation and understanding in the world today. > > > >>>> Christina has a Latin background, > >>> > >>> Mexican people are part Aztec (South American Indian) and part Spanish. > >> > >> What, ALL of them? > >>>> > > > > I did not say all of them, read your history 101 books. > > Well, you basically did- read your sentence above. Anyway, I was just > having a bit of a go here- I just didn't really see what the cultural > specifics of Mexico's background had to do with the original argument that > Cyclone was making regarding popular music. I don't have any History 101 > books to read but I do understand a little of the colonisation of South > America over the centuries, but then I don't see what it has to do with this > issue- it just seemed that you came out with a pretty random statement about > Mexico's population. > > >> > >>> > >>> Missy Elliott is R&B/ Urban radio not techno. > >> > >> Says you. > > > > Says the music industry and 99.999% of everyone elese who watches that shit > > on MTV and > > hears it on Urban radio (I'm talking about America not Papa Neu Guinea). > > Well OK- I was just being silly again here, however I wouldn't say Missy > Elliot is "Techno" compared to Derrick May but it IS a matter of degree > -Missy Elliot (and by her I mean her whole production crew) uses extremely > modern production techniques in the arena of pop/Rap music- she seems to > have a very open minded attitude when it comes to influences and has > absorbed (successfully) a lot of elements from more "underground" electronic > forms. This, in my book, (and I suspect this is what Cyclone was getting > at) makes here infinitely more "Techno" than someone like Samuel L Sessions > who is producing track after track after track of fairly basic 'Techno" > based on a very simple blueprint- no innovation, no true creativity- just a > façade of "futuristic" sounds. It's the old "is Techno a specific sound or > is it a set of ideas and principles?" argument. > > > >>> If you like pop music be sure to check out the latest Billboard charts: > > > > > Who are you talking about? my comments were not directed at any one in > > particular although > > this is what I have observed from the collector types. > > In fact I really don't keep tabs on what people post on mailing list. > > Ok- perhaps this is just something I mistook in your style of writing- I > think Ken Odeluga said something a while back to the effect that it is very > easy to pick up on elements of people's personalities on the net which > wouldn't normally show themselves in real life, i.e. if we were having this > conversation face to face or on the telephone these misunderstandings would > never happen. It seemed pretty much like you were slating the guy who sold > his records as beeing someone who was more concerned with collecting vinyl > thatn the music contained on the discs - if that wasn't the case then fair > enough but your comments were made as a direct reply to his post so it was > easy to make the mistake. Apology offered here. > > > >> Now you imply that people can't like > >> popular music AND Detroit Techno. > > > > That wasn't what I was trying to imply. > > If you like pop music I would think the Billboard link above would be > > helpful in staying atop > > the latest Top 40 artist. > > Hmmm, that doesn't sound very likely to me- based on the combative style of > the rest of your e-mail and then dropping that comment in reply to someone > like Cyclone who is (I think) a music journalist and is obviously pretty > well versed on the subject- if you didn't MEAN it to come across as sarcasm > then it certainly did to me. > > > > > > > Pop music in 1989/90 was Paula Abdual, MC Hammer. > > Even though Inner City achieved some chart success in the US and radio play > > depending on which market you > > lived in 'Love Take Me Over by Area 10' does not reflect American Top 40 > > music from that > > era. > > Basically here- well, that record is a great pop record in my opinion, in > the sense that an act could do a cover version of it today and would stand a > good chance of having a hit- the basic song structure and vocal and lyrics > would be well served by a modern production- what I was trying to say here > was that Techno started out as being a pretty wide church and that church > definitely included pop sensibilities- the fact that Paula Abdul and MC > Hammer were about at the same time had very little to do with my argument. > > > >> Derick and Juan and Kevin admit to being heavily > >> influenced by both Kraftwertk AND Heaven 17, Depeche Mode and other > >> Popular bands. There are many other examples from around that time but > >> I wouldn't expect somebody who can't tell the difference between Wiggin > >> and some DrumCode track to understand. > > > > Well those bands were not techno, > > Well I didn't say there were at all- I said they were POP- they helped to > influence the originators of the sound we call Detroit Techno. > > > my comparison of Wiggin and Drumcode were > > based on > > the similarities in composition. > > I would have to disagree on that one- Wiggin is an incredibly funky track > with an indefinable element of greatness- and this isn't a misty eyed, rose > tinted spectacle view of the track- I instantly recognised it as being > special when I first heard it many years ago- I don't see/hear that same > INDEFINABLE sense of quality in the DrumCode stuff and others like it. > > > A lot of people not just myself believe that the first techno was the older > > Transmat, music from > > "Techno! The New Dance Sound.." compilation the older stuff by Juan Atkins > > like Cybotron was electro-funk, techno took shape when you started to hear > > the more 4/4 influince of Chicago house. > > > I'm just not entirely sure what you are saying in this sentence- is it that > the "first" Techno was actually more around the time of the early Transmat > releases rather than Juan's early work as a lot of people now say? I think > I might agree to a certain extent- it's a bit difficult to tell after all > there years though- a records release date doesn't always reflect when > tracks were actually composed so apparently "obvious" links and influences > aren't always as concrete as they might seem at first_ doubt Juan thought he > was making a new form of music called "electo funk" when he was doing his > thang all those years ago though :) Perhaps it could be said that Transmat > were instrumental in crystalising the various elements which were floating > about at that moment in time and so could more readily associated with what > most people would consider to be "Techno". > Anyway, to sum up: > > 1- Sorry for picking you up wrong on a couple of points > > 2-I think Techno is more of a set of ideas and principles than a set of > sounds and so Missy Elliot can be described as (a little bit) Techno :) > > 3-Other people don't > > 4-I've used up my alloted 313-list ranting space for about the next 2 years > so I'm outta here! > > Cheers > > Jason > >
