The MC's at raves circa late 89 were using the phrase hardcore back then, but the phrase happy hardcore hadnt been invented at that point as far as I knew of. I remember aroun d the time that music started getting a little harder with the likes of Cubik, Technarchy and then in thier wake all the hard Euro rave stuff that was coming out on Target and Music Man was considered 'hardcore'. It wasn't during that period around 91 when there were all the Fantasia raves and the like and there were 500+ uplifiting piano samples over a breakbeat and a female vocal tracks coming out every week that I started hearing the term 'happy hardcore'.
----- Original Message ----- From: "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Org" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hardcore u no the score (was rob hall etc) > (i dont want to brethe new life into an out-of-control thread but here > goes....) > > yeah i agree with you, at first it was called just plain hardcore (or > 'ardkore) but then as the sub-genres developed, it became known as happy > hardcore. > > actually i think this is also to differentiate it the gabber, rotterdam > variety that came out later on.... > > fab. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Dan Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "313 Org" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: (313) Hardcore u no the score (was rob hall etc) > > > > > > i find the use of the term 'happy' when used with hardcore a bit wierd > > here. > > > > wasn't it just 'hardcore'? > > > > i thought the 'happy' came later, along with 160bpm four to the floor > > instead of breaks > > > > could be wrong tho as what i know as hardcore lost me when i became more > > interested in house music. > > > > robin... > > > > > > > > On 6 May 2005, at 11:37, Dan Bean wrote: > > > >> Hardcore and Jungle/D&B share musical elements such as tempo and the use > >> of breaks + there was a fair bit of crossover in terms of producers and > >> DJs. DJs at the time would play sets either mixing the two or have a > >> happy hardcore set and a jungle set (e.g. Kenny Ken). Danny Breaks was > >> one of many producers that crossed over. In fact the Essex jungle peeps > >> (especially the Suburban Base crew) probably had the closest links to > >> hardcore, though not necessarily the happy end of things. > >> > >> Early jungle comps such as Drum & Bass Selection Vol 1: > >> > >> http://www.discogs.com/release/97955 > >> > >> illustrate the link quite well. At the time it was marketed as a D&B > >> compilation, but listening back the hardcore element is pretty strong. > >> > >> Suburban Base's 'The Joint' is probably another good example: > >> > >> http://www.discogs.com/release/157323 > >> > >> Check the Sonz Of Loop Da Loop Era (Danny Breaks) track for breakbeat > >> madness! > >> > >> Having said all that, there was definitely a distinction between the > >> stereotypical happy hardcore and D&B fans. The former would be pilled up > >> with their shirts off, jogging on the spot for hours on end, whereas the > >> D&B fans tended to be more into spliffs and punctuate standing around > >> with the occassional burst of frenetic activity. Obviously it was more > >> complicated than that though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> You wrote: > >>> This thread isn't long enough already in my opinion, so I'd like to add > >>> that I can't see much relation to happy hardcore and drum 'n' bass, (or > >>> 'jungle') although I do see how they evolved from similar origins. > >> > > > > > > > > >
