Hmmm, it's a funny one really. My flatmate bought a final scratch recently and 
I must say that while beforehand I was quite ambivalent towards a 'scratch' 
solution that now I'm seriously considering buying a FS unit. There is 
something quite nice about being able to use turntables as the control surface, 
and this really has nothing to do with whether or not 'records is the only way 
to play tunes' - I play ableton sets every now and then, and use CDs quite 
happily with no sense of stigma.

I guess it might have something to do with records being what I'm the most used 
to, and therefore comfortable with, but I really do enjoy using FS to play 
digital files more than any other method.

That being said, Traktor DJ Studio 3 is bloody amazing software. You can use it 
with FS2 but even in standalone mode it's wicked. It has some really cool 
effects (that are tons better than DJ-mixer effects boxes) and brilliant 
looping features and you can run 4 decks at once with it.

So I guess that even though my heart loves final scratch, if anyone was looking 
for a solution for playing digital files I would recommend Traktor DJ Studio 3 
above them all - above CD decks, above final scratch, above ableton even. It's 
less than US$300 as well so it's easily the most affordable. And you don't even 
need a mixer. Couple it with the Behringer BCR2000 controller for lots of 
hands-on knob-twiddling and you're laughing.

>>> Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/04/2006 1:14 pm >>>
I agree with you.
I hate people trying to reproduce the perfect saxofone sound in a  
synth. God damn it, call a saxofone player.
Why use serato or final scratch? If your music is in a digital  
format, you can use a large range of softwares to do virtualy  
everything when it comes to mixing, beat matching or whatever.
Why stay tied to the limited possibilities of a turntable? If you  
want to do what turntables do, damn, put a real vinyl record on and  
do your thing,
Finally, let me say: i'm a turntable dj. I like turntables, i do the  
turntable style thing. But if i go digital, like songs in a hard  
disk, i'll not limit myself to a turntable.
CDJ is usefull for me to make some loops, play things that require  
great amount of pitch up or down (like +/- 16) with master tempo.
There a lot of DJs using final scratch and serato just to show up in  
a glamour vinyl style without giving up the confort of carrying just  
a laptop. That makes no sense to me. I like music more than i like  
equipment.

Kw

On 04/04/2006, at 10:36, Kent Williams wrote:

> Given what these things cost, I'm not sure why one wouldn't just get
> Traktor on a laptop -- it's a much more flexible, easier to way to
> mix.
>
> That being said, I love mixing on the old Denon DN 2000s, because they
> were really simple. Find your cue point once, instead of over and over
> like with records, then drop the track in and tweak tempo.  I also
> liked picking up the controller in one arm and tweaking with the other
> hand. People would ask me what instrument I was playing.
>
> Both Final Scratch and the fancy CD players with platters seem to me
> to be trying to preserve a paradigm for mixing and beat matching
> that's inappropriate to the technology.  Traktor is really easy to
> beat match in, even if you ignore the 'automatic' beat matching.
> And if you can't give up the wikki-wikki you can get Traktor with  
> Final Scratch.
>
> Of course, for me, the idea of paying hundreds of dollars for
> something that REQUIRES you  to have turntables in order to mix is
> kind of crazy.  That only makes sense in Ubercoolische world, where
> the DJ equipment is something you specify in a rider, not something
> you haul up and down stairs.
>
> Once you learn to beat match in one medium it shouldn't be that hard
> to transfer the skills to a new one. IMHO.
>
> On 4/3/06, Adam Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sup List,
>>
>> anyone own a cd mixer that they enjoy playing 313 music related CDs
>> on? Or dislike a CD mixer that you own?
>>
>> I'm considering buying one and saw a couple models in my price range.
>> The Pioneer CDJ-200 Mixer and the Denon DN-S1000, both around $400 US
>> each. Wondering if there are any thoughts on either of these and if
>> they're decent, or if I should hold out for the Pioneer CDJ-800
>> (around $600US) (can't bring myself to spend $1000 US on the
>> CDJ-1000).
>>
>> Thanks for any tips or info,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

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