I listen to hip-hop all day at work, I hear a lot, underground, commercial, the whole 9. I am not some newbie. I have followed this scene since Grandmaster Flash came out. I am not the only one saying that. Stuff like Brother Ali isn't pushing things ahead either, he's a good lyricist, but the beats? The Spank Rock LP was cool but they can't even bother showing up for Big Day Out and sent their boys for what was the worst show we've seen all year - check Australian web forums. Have you heard Alex DJ lately? That Fabric CD was generic. The RZA album is very good, but not exactly new. There is good stuff but overall the culture - and the commercial side is part of that culture - is in need of regeneration. Nas got that bit right.

On 27/06/2007, at 4:37 AM, J.T. wrote:

oh c'mon, you are scraping the dregs out there, this is all tired nyc stuff. lloyd banks? well duh, g-unit sucks harrrd, they always did. mims? fabolous? this is as mainstream as it gets, mims was #1 in the charts! hiphop fans don't listen to that stuff, pop music/ mtv people do. down south is where the hot stuff is. and bay area ok ok. and bmore and detroit. oh yeah. and i don't mean for undergound hiphop fans, which usually means "college" hiphop. the southern hiphop sound seems to have been dominating for a few years now, but maybe that's just my perspective living in the south.

i certainly wouldnt call spank rock boring, and i think you're reallllly really hating if you do. black milk is carrying the torch for dilla, and he produced nametag's album, and nametag is suuper. lil uno and boo ski and the pack are doing that totally mental almost beatless stuff..crazy minimal 808 tracks, so so dope. and jjak hogan are my friends and unknown as yet, but are opening for beastie boys next tour and have an album coming on radioslave's rekids, of all places. and some other records in fine places too ;) they are a bit like spank rock mixed with outkast and other southern flavors. some of their stuff is really really techno.

i like the new rza track on the radio too, classic wu style...






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The US side isn't that inspiring at the moment, frankly - I mean
MIMS, Lloyd Banks, Fabolous - and the underground is about as boring!
The general  view in the hip hop industry is that Americans would
never accept a non-American MC. Don't the Brits hate all their MCs?
The UK guys always complain about that when coming here! ;)

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On 6/25/07, Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He used
to produce MC Solaar.



i never really liked solaar either. to be honest, aside from a couple
of UK emcees, i find most non-american hiphop to just be missing
something.




I agree, although I really struggle with most British MCs too. It's
kind of like asking a Papua New Guinean to yodel. That said, I've
got some time for MC Solaar and a few other exceptions to the rule.

Tristan
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