Naaaaah, 'sall in the way you choose to see it. By your logic "dance music" would be in dire need of a regeneration too cause we'd be lumping tiesto in with moodyman (they both play dance music). But I personally feel it's doing alright(steady stream of siiiiick releases for the last few years almost...and getting better). And the fact that a guy/group doesn't show up for shows doesn't make them less dope. If that was the case mike banks would suck (and we all know how that's going, right?).
I think if you see that mainstream pop-oriented stuff then yeah, the hip-hop you see probably does need a revitalization, but that ish doesn't even hit my radar, so it's looking pretty fine from here. And I understand you've been following this scene for a long time, but I've been living it even longer and the real excitement has always been in the less promoted areas of the genre, even back then. When GMF dropped the message, it wasn't a hit because of how dope the music was in itself, it was dope because of all the underground stuff preceding it (block parties, warehouse/empty apt jams with OG b-boys bustin) that it represented. It made a piece of that available and people bought into it becausae they were already excited by the less publicized more rumored about aspects of the genre. That's why here most cats see a real clear difference between hip-hop and rap. Most of what you mentioned would be called rap here and some folks even get hot if you get that wrong. But whatever, you probably know this as well huh? K Mwnb -----Original Message----- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:43 PM To: J.T. Cc: Tristan Watkins; Thomas D. Cox,Jr.; [email protected] Subject: Re: (313) Justice I listen to hip-hop all day at work, I hear a lot, underground, commercial, the whole 9. I am not some newbie. I have followed this scene since Grandmaster Flash came out. I am not the only one saying that. Stuff like Brother Ali isn't pushing things ahead either, he's a good lyricist, but the beats? The Spank Rock LP was cool but they can't even bother showing up for Big Day Out and sent their boys for what was the worst show we've seen all year - check Australian web forums. Have you heard Alex DJ lately? That Fabric CD was generic. The RZA album is very good, but not exactly new. There is good stuff but overall the culture - and the commercial side is part of that culture - is in need of regeneration. Nas got that bit right. On 27/06/2007, at 4:37 AM, J.T. wrote: > oh c'mon, you are scraping the dregs out there, this is all tired > nyc stuff. lloyd banks? well duh, g-unit sucks harrrd, they always > did. mims? fabolous? this is as mainstream as it gets, mims was #1 > in the charts! hiphop fans don't listen to that stuff, pop music/ > mtv people do. down south is where the hot stuff is. and bay area > ok ok. and bmore and detroit. oh yeah. and i don't mean for > undergound hiphop fans, which usually means "college" hiphop. the > southern hiphop sound seems to have been dominating for a few years > now, but maybe that's just my perspective living in the south. > > i certainly wouldnt call spank rock boring, and i think you're > reallllly really hating if you do. black milk is carrying the torch > for dilla, and he produced nametag's album, and nametag is suuper. > lil uno and boo ski and the pack are doing that totally mental > almost beatless stuff..crazy minimal 808 tracks, so so dope. and > jjak hogan are my friends and unknown as yet, but are opening for > beastie boys next tour and have an album coming on radioslave's > rekids, of all places. and some other records in fine places too ;) > they are a bit like spank rock mixed with outkast and other > southern flavors. some of their stuff is really really techno. > > i like the new rza track on the radio too, classic wu style... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Jun 26, 2007 1:39 PM >> To: Tristan Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] >> Subject: Re: (313) Justice >> >> The US side isn't that inspiring at the moment, frankly - I mean >> MIMS, Lloyd Banks, Fabolous - and the underground is about as boring! >> The general view in the hip hop industry is that Americans would >> never accept a non-American MC. Don't the Brits hate all their MCs? >> The UK guys always complain about that when coming here! ;) >> >> On 26/06/2007, at 6:58 PM, Tristan Watkins wrote: >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:57 AM >>> Subject: [SPAM-LOW] Re: (313) Justice >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 6/25/07, Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He >>>>> used >>>>> to produce MC Solaar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> i never really liked solaar either. to be honest, aside from a >>>> couple >>>> of UK emcees, i find most non-american hiphop to just be missing >>>> something. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> I agree, although I really struggle with most British MCs too. It's >>> kind of like asking a Papua New Guinean to yodel. That said, I've >>> got some time for MC Solaar and a few other exceptions to the rule. >>> >>> Tristan >>> ======= >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://www.phonopsia.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> > >
