Hi Carsten,

On 6/13/08 8:22 PM, "Carsten Bormann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I would suggest to reword the text related to the architecture ID
>> and remove
>> the mesh-under/route over discussion for the moment.
> 
> There appears to be some confusion here.
> 
> The text about the architecture document says:
> 
>> This document will cover the concepts of "Mesh Under" and "Route
>> Over",
> 
> Any architecture document that does not define these terms would be a
> rather strange architecture document indeed.

Well hopefully we do not need to define what Routing means at the IETF ;-)
and the notion of mesh-under is a form of routing at layer 2 (not really in
the scope of the IETF).

Since this is a contentious debate to say the least, I was proposing to deal
with it as a separate item for the moment so as to quickly move forward with
the architecture document where lot of work is still needed.

> 
>>>> My proposal would be to have a discussion on this topic first,
>>>> trying to
>>>> reach a consensus in the WG on whether or not we need to define a
>>>> mesh-under
>>>> solution.
> 
> Why would we need such a consensus in the WG with respect to the
> current charter text?
> Right now the charter does not ask require the WG to "define a mesh-
> under solution", and I'm pretty sure we have had rough consensus for a
> while that we aren't in a position right now to define the mesh
> routing protocol part of that solution.

Great.

> So the charter proposals on the table always have left that part out.
> 
> I'm a bit tired of reopening this specific discussion; it is quite
> clear now that there always will be L2 meshing and L3-only routing
> camps.

This is why I was suggesting to leave it out for the moment in order to
quickly move forward on other key topics and then try to reach a final
consensus documented in the separate ID.

Thanks.

JP.

JP.

> 
> Gruesse, Carsten
> 

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