Alex,

On Nov 12, 2009, at 17:50 , Alexandru Petrescu wrote:

Especially here, where 802.15.4 is cited upfront.

The 6lowpan-nd draft specifically says the link could be 802.15.4 or any other suitable link.

Well - you're questioning here prior agreements. We did seem to be in agreement when defining links in 6lowpan, as of April 2009, see attached email.

We do appreciate all the help you gave to polish our model in April, thanks for that!


Now you do not like that anymore.

Why?

We have feedback from 6man and the ADs to look at using a similar model as in autoconf, as the multi-hop subnet model we currently have is still pretty controversial (although not-quite-as-bad as a multi- link subnet...). Therefore we are looking at that. Let's see what we can do with -08. Thanks for your feedback, let's return to that again after the next revision.

Zach


From: Zach Shelby <[email protected]>
Date: April 25, 2009 16:00:55 GMT+03:00
To: Alexandru Petrescu <[email protected]>
Cc: 6lowpan <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [6lowpan] link definition of rfc4861 to cover wireless non-transitive links as well


Hi,

I like this, taking the RFC4861 definition and just adding the wireless considerations. We should also mention as part of the wireless links part the following:

- Wireless links considered by 6LoWPAN may not support native multicast. - Wireless links are not static, frequent changes are to be expected because of radio channel fading or node mobility.

This link definition originates from the ND draft, and was just copied into the other drafts for consistency. I will make a ticket to update the link definition in nd-03. This was a good solution, thanks.

- Zach

Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
Previous discussion indicated that link definition of RFC 4861 "Neighbor
Discovery for IPv6" is pertinent to 6LoWPAN.  I agree with it and
suggest the following 6LoWPAN definition:
  link       -  a communication facility or medium over which
                nodes can communicate at the link layer, i.e.,
                the layer immediately below IP (each node can
                communicate to each other in this medium).
                Examples are Ethernets (simple or bridged), PPP
                links, X.25, Frame Relay, wireless links or ATM
                networks as well as Internet-layer (or
                higher-layer) "tunnels", such as tunnels over
                IPv4 or IPv6 itself.
                This is a slightly modified definition of the link
defined in RFC4861, in order to cover also the wireless
                links.  Wireless links may be non-transitive (node A
communicates at link layer to both B and C yet B and C are not on the same link). Hidden terminal problem in
                wireless communications is described in [reference to
                individual draft in AUTOCONF]
                draft-baccelli-multi-hop-wireless-communication-02
What do people think about using this link definition in 6LoWPAN?
Alex
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