It may not be appropriate (not knowing enough about the content of your drafts), but is there anything to prevent including an undated reference to 15.4 and a dated reference to 15.4e (where something inside the document is referenced)? Optionally a note could explain that 15.4e will be merged into 15.4.
—Bob On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Qin: > > This is why Minimal and probably 6top will need to keep a dated reference. > The price to pay will be to publish an update is the conversion is non > obvious to future versions on the IEEE standard… > > Cheers, > > Pascal > > From: 6tisch [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Qin Wang > Sent: jeudi 30 avril 2015 13:35 > To: Pat Kinney; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: Michael Richardson; [email protected]; ROBERT GROW ([email protected]) > Subject: Re: [6tisch] Removing the 'e' in the charter > > Hi all, > > I understand that reference IEEE 802.15.4 includes IEEE802.15.4e by > definition. But I have a problem in writing 6TiSCH draft if we remove "e" in > reference. > > Here is an example. "A 10ms time slot length is the default value defined by > [IEEE802154e]. Section 6.4.3.3.3 of [IEEE802154e] defines a default > macTimeslotTemplate,...." is in the section 3.4 of minimal draft. Then, the > question is how to point the exact place if we use IEEE 802.15.4 as reference. > > Thanks > Qin > > > > > On Friday, May 1, 2015 12:55 AM, Pat Kinney > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > An amendment references (is based upon) the latest revision when it was > approved, hence 802.15.4e is based upon (i.e. it references) 802.15.4-2011. > > Pat > Pat Kinney > Kinney Consulting LLC > IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, TG chair > ISA100.11a WG chair > O: +1.847.960.3715 > [email protected] > > > > > > > On 30, Apr2015, at 10:37, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Michael > > For All I know 4e TSCH is only defined on 2011. There are known similar > technologies running over 2006 but they are not 4e... > > The undated reference in an RFC to an IEEE spec applies to the present state > at the date of the RFC and to all future versions unless the RFC is revised. > > This proved useful for Ethernet; too much maybe since we were fooled into > extending IP over Ethernet to Wi-Fi... > > Cheers, > > Pascal > > > Le 30 avr. 2015 à 07:50, Michael Richardson <[email protected]> a écrit > > : > > > > > > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Today, undated and without the 'e', IEEE802.15.4 means 2011 plus all > >> the amendments. > > > > Given that we can't run on 802.15.4-2011, this is why I'm concerned about > > referencing "802.15.4". > > > >> So, a reference to IEEE Std 802.3 (without year) today is identical to the > >> 2012 dated reference, but when the current revision is approved (expected > >> this year), a reference to the 2012 revision would not include the > >> maintenance changes included in the current revision, nor any of the > >> amendments likely to be approved soon after the revision is approved. > > > > How does an outsider know when the reference was made? Is it by the date > > of the document making the reference? > > > > If the IETF writes a document in 2014, but it doesn't get published in Jan. > > 2015, > > what IEEE document would "802.15.4" reference? > > > > Robert suggests text like: > > > >> In development of this RFC, IEEE Std 802.99 documents considered included > >> IEEE Std 802.99-2016 and P802.99/D8. > > > > and so if we can do this, then I'm happy. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Richardson <[email protected]>, Sandelman Software Works > > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 6tisch mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch
_______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch
