Oracle was a terrible example. That company is about one man, his ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity.
On Jul 15, 2013, at 19:07, Skip Tavakkolian <[email protected]> wrote: > the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil all at > the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle, GE, etc.) > that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is mostly good > or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the nature of the > universe. > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, john francis lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> Isn't google the now well-known devil itself ? >> >> >> On 07/15/2013 11:04 PM, hiro wrote: >>> Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then? >>> I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the >>> successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0 >>> services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it >>> possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make >>> it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos >>> without the typical mimecode problems. >>> >>> On 7/15/13, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup. >>>> Articles require approval before being posted. It has been >>>> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's. I, >>>> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of >>>> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August >>>> of this year. So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required. >>>> >>>> Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list. >>>> Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the >>>> comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup. This bi-directional gateway will >>>> disappear when our Usenet server is turned off. So a volunteer to >>>> take over this service is also required. >>>> >>>> Further details of the above are given below. >>>> >>>> Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive. For example I've >>>> approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months. The >>>> vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups. >>>> >>>> The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right >>>> to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup. I.e. articles from the >>>> moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted. Volunteer >>>> moderators are requested. >>>> >>>> I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is >>>> that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are >>>> gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at: >>>> >>>> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/ >>>> >>>> and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list. >>>> >>>> Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway. >>>> The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the >>>> comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are >>>> sent on to the mailing list. >>>> >>>> Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously >>>> keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a >>>> replacement elsewhere is ideally required. >>>> >>>> The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into >>>> the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and >>>> have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a >>>> moderated Newsgroup. >>>> >>>> Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup >>>> is labour-intensive. It needs to be automated. There are probably >>>> several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our >>>> Usenet server. Our setup is similar to the following. >>>> >>>> We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we >>>> wish to inject into Newsgroups. Mail for this domain is handled by >>>> the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its >>>> Usenet software. All incoming email is checked for viruses using >>>> ClamAV. >>>> >>>> An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the >>>> 9fans mailing list. Email arriving for this address is checked to >>>> see it has the correct envelope sender ([email protected]). >>>> If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message >>>> into the Newsgroup. The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the >>>> Message-ID's it has seen. So there's no problem with looping, ie >>>> the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of >>>> times. >>>> >>>> Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using >>>> INN "news2mail" channel script. However, betraying my original >>>> Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment: >>>> >>>> # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into >>>> # the mailing list, [email protected], using a locally written script. >>>> # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not >>>> # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list. >>>> plan9mail!\ >>>> :comp.os.plan9\ >>>> :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s >>>> >>>> in INN's newsfeeds file. >>>> >>>> The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but >>>> usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email. The anti-looping >>>> checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a >>>> header of the form: >>>> >>>> X-BeenThere: [email protected] >>>> >>>> which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into >>>> Newsgroup. >>>> >>>> The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once >>>> set up. We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once >>>> our Usenet server is decommissioned. A volunteer to set up and run >>>> a similar service is required. >>>> -- >>>> Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK >>>> [email protected] Phone: +44 1225 386101 >> >> -- >> john francis lee >> 246/3 Moo 22 >> Thanon Kaew Wai >> Mueang Chiangrai 57000 >> Thailand >
