Who claimed fast compilation was a motive? >From what I understand this is all about being able to use gdb for debugging.
It makes sense to me, but it might still be subjective. If you care I will explain my experience: Some longer time ago I tried gdb for disassembling some secret binary, but quickly gave up cause of the complex interface and reverted to objdump instead. I wasted a lot of time and that made me hate gdb a lot. Now, much later I started using gdb again, cause as long as it has access to the source analyzing coredumps is very easy. It's a better workflow than my printf() debugging, because the Makefiles of the project I'm working on are so complex and broken that everybody avoids compiling (takes too long). I have seen many complaints in Ron's commit logs about makefiles, too. I'm fairly certain that for Harvey and Akaros they're pretty much forced just like me into a coredump-driven development workflow. tldr: gcc is needed so that we can use gdb so that we don't have to compile as often so that we can fix bugs faster. On 7/26/15, erik quanstrom <quans...@quanstro.net> wrote: > just speaking for myself, I found the fact that plan 9 was a self contained > thing to be a must have. i don't consider the gcc toolchain to be a > feature. > > if "fast compilation" is a feature over plan 9, I'd like to see some > numbers. > > - erik > > On Jul 25, 2015 3:15 PM, Axel Belinfante > <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=axel.belinfa...@utwente.nl]axel.belinfa...@utwente.nl> > wrote: >> >> I couldn’t resist looking, and found >> in >> [http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.osnews.com%2Fcomments%2F28699&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGHKFWanYoFNYbSy6In7LAXtMi-tg]http://www.osnews.com/comments/28699 >> >> "Harvey is an effort to get the Plan 9 code working with gcc and clang”. >> >> So, in a way it seems to be a port of Plan 9. >> >> More details, including the feature list below, are >> at >> [http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fharvey-os.org&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNErZ4XfGFvsgbhV-uqEiG8K2pSdYQ]http://harvey-os.org >> >> Features >> >> • AMD 64 bit >> • Modern, simplified syscall system >> • GCC toolchain means you can use gdb(!) >> • Compile in Linux or OSX using Harvey's headers and libs, no need to >> change anything else >> • Fast compilation of the whole system >> • All Plan9 userland apps available >> • Plans to add X11 with rio-like multiplexing, tty driver, new fileserver, >> native toolchain and more >> >> I’m intrigued by the “compile … using Harvey's headers and libs, no need >> to change anything else” — >> I guess that means that it will be easy to “port” stuff to Harvey? >> >> The team list contains names well-known on this list... >> >> I must say, it looks quite interesting, worth checking out. >> >> Axel. >> >>> On 25 Jul 2015, at 17:58, Ryan Gonzalez >>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=rym...@gmail.com]rym...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> No clue. I'm guessing it's heavily inspired by Plan 9. >> >> On July 25, 2015 3:34:13 AM CDT, >> "[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=st...@quintile.net]st...@quintile.net" >> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=st...@quintile.net]st...@quintile.net> wrote: >>> >>> not sure what Harvey is... is it just plan9 ported to build on gcc? >>> >>> if so does gcc run under Harvey? >>> >>> does gcc run under plan9 now? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jul 2015, at 01:43, Ryan Gonzalez >>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=rym...@gmail.com]rym...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> [https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Fthis-is-not-a-monad-tutorial%2Fharvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFKZSymwu8nNoZ6I7kp6PyVvp9A1g]https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b >>>> >>>> I'm not affiliated with this whatsoever; I just saw it on Reddit and >>>> found it interesting. >>>> >>>> I found this part particularly neat: >>>> >>>> > We are working in ANSI POSIX environment to have most of well known >>>> > tools and programs that programmers or end users expects to have in a >>>> > modern operating system. Things that for traditional Plan 9 would be >>>> > very difficult to have. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >
