i spoke too soon, the labs website went a while ago, but the sources machine
has returned, well i was able to access it last week.
last chance (i suspect) for those wanting to download the contrib dirs before
they disappear - i got mine 😀
On 13 Feb 2018, at 23:13, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyn...@orthanc.ca> wrote:
>>> I struggle to understand how version control is not more actively used.
>> It's not particularly necessary when you have global state with
>> snapshots provided by a shared WORM fs.
> I always thought that argument was a bit suspect. And with the loss of
> sources.bell-labs.com, it's apparent why. The only revision history was in
> the venti. Now that that is lost, so is that history. I know that there are
> partial mirrors of sources, but none go all the way back to the dawn of the
> sources venti archive. And on the mirrors, we lose the 'blame' functionality
> fossil provided by tracking who last updated a file.
> If this had been hosted in an SCM, it would have been so simple to replicate
> that full history elsewhere.
> The other bit that snapshots/dumps miss is context. When everyone working on
> the code was within shouting distance of the "unix room" that wasn't an
> issue. But now, that context has been lost. Annotations about the "why" of
> a commit are as important as the "what." diffy(1) answers the "what," but
> not the "why."
>> DVCS adds a lot of complexity
>> for questionable gain, in that environment. 9front's adoption of
>> mercurial is a historical accident rather than a desired outcome. But,
>> I understand that most people just want to use the tools they already
>> know. It's much easier than learning a new paradigm.
> +100 on DVCS and needless complexity. cvs or sccs provides all the
> functionality I've ever needed in an SCM system. Although I confess I have
> been seduced by git's ability to instantly create and switch between
> branches. It makes trying out "what if" scenarios completely painless. But
> it's not enough to convince me to use git except on very rare occasions.