I agree here about the importance of handwriting, it is a dying art just like Braille is threatening to become. Recording answers will hamper the train of thought, as far as I can see. It is often seen a student does much better when asked to write than to speak out. This will also end up being just memorizing by roat to reproduce verbatim. No time to think, weigh and analyse answers. Personally, I see no merit in this method. As for grace marks, that is like a pat on the head for a job they know you won't be able to do right, or as well as the sighted counterparts would.
-----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:33 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers But George sir, won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write on computers for the sake of visually impaired? Hand writing is a very important aspect, especially during childhood. Just like we find number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand writing. I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing exams on my own. Don't want to miss on that fun. On 1/12/16, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote: > A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording on tape seems > to have a number of draw backs. > > I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using > computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there is a > need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be > singled out for special treatment. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Vamshi. G > Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55 > To: [email protected]; AccessIndia: a list for discussing > accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers > > Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa. > Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the > fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone. > Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a > visually impaired is not desirable. People tend to value performance > of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled. But writing exam > on computer also has this drawback. > > As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks > are concerned, a strict no to them! The whole idea of enabling > environment is lost with these activities. > > > On 1/12/16, Vedprakash <[email protected]> wrote: >> Tape-recording answers is dangerous. >> Firstly, the pronunciation part. >> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce >> the same word differently due to regional considerations. >> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of >> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak >> flawlessly and continuously. >> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the >> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly. >> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording. >> Exciting Offers to Grab Vedprakash Sharma >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers >> >> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions? In 2002, my typewriter didn't >> work >> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist. >> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams. At the same >> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good >> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the >> poor >> preparation and/or negligence of the students. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y <[email protected]> wrote: >>> what about math? tell it like a Poem? >>> typing would be fair instead of recording. >>> the Sighted write so we should type! >>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in >>> case of English Language. >>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early >>> on, which may take time, but not impossible. >>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given >>> to all special Students. >>> which would make the blind incompetent if practiced. >>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and >>> complex disabilities! >>> many of the policies that come up are not well thought off in advance. >>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these >>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy. >>> >>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract >>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to >>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be >>>> tedius and time consuming. >>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue. >>>> >>>> On 1/12/16, raaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer >>>>> writing or exam in Braille. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM >>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>> concerning the disabled. >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers >>>>> >>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be >>>>> good to provide options like use of computer or recording. >>>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid >>>>> bitter experience. >>>>> >>>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as >>>>> accent may vary. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C >>>>> >>>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Would be interested in knowing the groups view on this initiative! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh >>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32 >>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>> concerning the disabled. >>>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers >>>>>> >>>>>> Times of India: >>>>>> >>>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder >>>>>> Abhishek Choudhari >>>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST >>>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam >>>>>> a candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead >>>>>> of additional supplement. >>>>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now >>>>>> record their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a >>>>>> writer. 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