Further, most sighted people are poor listeners. They do not grasp everything that is said. While reading they can very easily move back and forth. In the case of recording moving back and forth could be a pain. As a blind examinee, will struggle to make changes. Editting audio files is technical. If one rerecords, then the examiner would get confused. As Ved Prakash rightly says, recording is simply not a practical option.
The Minister is most certainly well meaning but like most policy makers/administraters he is not well informed. This is my personally view. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 14 January 2016 12:38 To: [email protected]; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers Recording answers should not even be the option for the blind, as it changes the very nature of the exam from a written to oral. Other objections vedprakash has rightly mentioned. I had opposed it right from the inception stage in Maharashtra but it seems some vested interests have had their say as they manufacture some odd devices for recording and playing voice and distribute them to blind here in Maharashtra. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vedprakash Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:37 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers This recording system is simply not applicable. Some of the reasons I have already mentioned. Mentioning below some more: 1. Sighted evaluaters are not very comfortable with giving marks by listening to the answers. If they miss some word, they are not going to rewine and listen again. I am a teacher and hence know a lot about these checking centers and checkers. 2. During unseen passages, if one has to match words in a table, what is the option? The student can match the words by speaking the both words together, but the checker will get confused. 3. Generally, the checker takes ten minutes at an average to finish an answer sheet. But in case of recorded answer sheets, more time is required. So there is always a danger that the evaluater will put the marks without listening the whole recording. 4. Generally, marks are put after each section at the answer sheet and hence the checker keeps the record of the questions answered. In the recorded answer, it is not easy to count as to how many questions and parts thereof have been attempted. Exciting Offers to Grab Vedprakash Sharma -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arjun Malhotra Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:35 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking some innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording answers. It is no surprise that CBSE has allowed recording answer as CCPD guidelines have been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination guidelines provide for recording as a means of taking exam. About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken by examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes 5-15 minutes to evaluate the answer script. One may say since recording the answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge of managing it's affair. Secondly I feer that those students who have polished accents may be at advantagious position as compared to those who are not polished as far as oratory skills are concerned. This may undermine the merit. However you may argue that students with bad hand writing also suffers and it is important for a visually challenged student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for such mode of taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background disturbances. I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of providing sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble of an engine, shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along side the answer and will surely affect the over all experience. My 4th concern is that will there be any takers of this mode of taking exam? and I can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such options and should not become "only option" in those cases where students relies on either school or examination centers for arranging the scribes. best Arjun M On 1/12/16, Pinkesh Tailor <[email protected]> wrote: > What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded > in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human > assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer > in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding > and forwarding to listen to the questions. > > On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G <[email protected]> wrote: >> But George sir, won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them >> write on computers for the sake of visually impaired? Hand writing >> is a very important aspect, especially during childhood. Just like >> we find number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by >> someone who is not familiar with the field, a sighted person will >> have number of arguements against writing exams on computers in place >> of hand writing. I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for >> writing exams on my own. Don't want to miss on that fun. >> >> On 1/12/16, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote: >>> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording on tape >>> seems >>> to have a number of draw backs. >>> >>> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams >>> using computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. >>> But there is a need to head that way. I do not believe that blind >>> students must not be singled out for special treatment. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Vamshi. G >>> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55 >>> To: [email protected]; AccessIndia: a list for discussing >>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers >>> >>> Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa. >>> Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, >>> the fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone. >>> Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a >>> visually impaired is not desirable. People tend to value >>> performance of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled. But >>> writing exam on computer also has this drawback. >>> >>> As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks >>> are concerned, a strict no to them! The whole idea of enabling >>> environment is lost with these activities. >>> >>> >>> On 1/12/16, Vedprakash <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous. >>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part. >>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people >>>> pronounce the same word differently due to regional considerations. >>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the >>>> process of thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or >>>> you have to speak flawlessly and continuously. >>>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may >>>> disturb the recording and the checker may not get the recording >>>> correctly. >>>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording. >>>> Exciting Offers to Grab Vedprakash Sharma >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers >>>> >>>> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions? In 2002, my typewriter >>>> didn't work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post >>>> of typist. >>>> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams. At >>>> the same time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent >>>> of securing good marks on their own without expecting the scribes >>>> to compensate for the poor preparation and/or negligence of the >>>> students. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> what about math? tell it like a Poem? >>>>> typing would be fair instead of recording. >>>>> the Sighted write so we should type! >>>>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on >>>>> in case of English Language. >>>>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology >>>>> early on, which may take time, but not impossible. >>>>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is >>>>> given to all special Students. >>>>> which would make the blind incompetent if practiced. >>>>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and >>>>> complex disabilities! >>>>> many of the policies that come up are not well thought off in advance. >>>>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these >>>>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract >>>>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want >>>>>> to change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new >>>>>> will be tedius and time consuming. >>>>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/12/16, raaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer >>>>>>> computer writing or exam in Braille. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AccessIndia >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM >>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>>> concerning the disabled. >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would >>>>>>> be good to provide options like use of computer or recording. >>>>>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to >>>>>>> avoid bitter experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction >>>>>>> as accent may vary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would be interested in knowing the groups view on this initiative! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh >>>>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32 >>>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>>>> concerning the disabled. >>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Times of India: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder >>>>>>>> Abhishek Choudhari >>>>>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST >>>>>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board >>>>>>>> exam a candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' >>>>>>>> instead of additional supplement. >>>>>>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can >>>>>>>> now record their answers on tape recorder rather than taking >>>>>>>> help of a writer. This new rule is part of a slew of >>>>>>>> revolutionary changes brought in for special needs students by >>>>>>>> state school education minister Vinod Tawde. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can >>>>>>>> get the questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper >>>>>>>> starts so that they can get a feel of things. Their answers >>>>>>>> will be recorded and the device will be sent for evaluation in >>>>>>>> the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." 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