Though i could not think of many such situation where a scenario presented will happen. I also agree to the point that qualification of a scribe, in an ideal scenario, should be a concern but can there be alternative such as qualification of scribe determined by the minimum qualifucation for the exam/post like if it is graduate that scribe should not be graduate even though person taking the exam is a PhD
Just a thought Regards Amit Jain On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 14:08 Kanchan Pamnani, <[email protected]> wrote: > Very interesting analysis. Please explain in which exam this kind of > situation will occur. > Also is it not fair to allow a Post graduate only a 12th Standard scribe? > Is it not likely that the post graduate will know more than the scribe in > this case. > Is the scribe's qualification important in comparison to that of the > candidate? > This is only a debate and I do want to hear peoples views. > Kanchan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: 26 June 2018 13:51 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing > for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both > candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be > injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate > will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > > past I have always looked for graduates. > > > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Congrats! > >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in > >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and > >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. > >> > >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. > >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. > >> > >> > >> सादर / With thanks & Regards > >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur > >> > >> 0712 2806846 > >> > >> President > >> VIBEWA > >> Co-Moderator > >> VIB-India > >> > >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > >> laughter. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 > >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >> concerning the disabled.' > >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > >> > >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already > >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues > >> > >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > >> > >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem > because > >> no one really implemented the guidelines. > >> > >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that > >> these > >> guidelines were unfair. > >> > >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines > gave > >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > >> > >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > >> complained > >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > >> > >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times > >> but > >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > >> > >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > >> meeting on 20th June. > >> > >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U > PS > >> C > >> and SSC. > >> > >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > >> had > >> gone to meet the Minister. > >> > >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion > on > >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our > >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > >> > >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. > >> > >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > >> person > >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. > >> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the > representative down. > >> > >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The > recommendations > >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. > >> > >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of > the > >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining > >> body can provide not less than a matriculate. > >> > >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > >> > >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the > >> original guidelines. > >> > >> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they > >> are > >> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this > >> should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this > >> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after > >> explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely > >> attributable to the subcommittee. > >> > >> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be > less > >> in > >> qualification than the candidate. > >> > >> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only > with > >> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational > >> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too > >> bad but ground realities will tell. > >> > >> 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups > of > >> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to > >> the courts. > >> > >> 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going > to > >> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and > >> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the > >> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the > >> argument about supervision. > >> > >> 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. > >> We > >> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. > >> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a > >> lot of diplomacy. > >> > >> 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional > >> scribes. > >> > >> > >> 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court > and > >> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. > >> > >> 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give > >> your > >> input on these crucial issues. > >> > >> 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to > >> face > >> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. 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