Bhiwani and Shweta please don’t forget that there are many exams and there are many courses of study. K
-----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 26 June 2018 16:11 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as scribe. -----Original Message----- From: Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines right Kanchan mam. but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to bring graduate scribe. On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani <[email protected]> wrote: > No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. > So lets go with the clerk example. > > There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. > The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get > a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds > unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. > Kanchan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Kotian, H P > Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a > clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 > candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to > consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. > Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in > this case. > > I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. > Mentioned it for illustration purpose. > > Harish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <[email protected]> wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>> >>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>> >>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>> because >>> no one really implemented the guidelines. >>> >>> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >>> these >>> guidelines were unfair. >>> >>> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines >>> gave >>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >>> >>> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >>> complained >>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >>> >>> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >>> but >>> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >>> >>> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >>> meeting on 20th June. >>> >>> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U >>> PS >>> C >>> and SSC. >>> >>> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >>> had >>> gone to meet the Minister. >>> >>> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion >>> on >>> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give >>> our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >>> >>> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >>> >>> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >>> person >>> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >>> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the >>> representative down. >>> >>> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The >>> recommendations >>> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >>> >>> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of >>> the >>> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining >>> body can provide not less than a matriculate. >>> >>> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >>> >>> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our >>> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >>> original guidelines. >>> >>> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they >>> are >>> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this >>> should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this >>> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after >>> explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely >>> attributable to the subcommittee. >>> >>> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be >>> less >>> in >>> qualification than the candidate. >>> >>> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only >>> with >>> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational >>> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too >>> bad but ground realities will tell. >>> >>> 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups >>> of >>> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to >>> the courts. >>> >>> 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going >>> to >>> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and >>> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the >>> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the >>> argument about supervision. >>> >>> 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. >>> We >>> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. >>> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a >>> lot of diplomacy. >>> >>> 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional >>> scribes. >>> >>> >>> 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court >>> and >>> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. >>> >>> 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give >>> your >>> input on these crucial issues. >>> >>> 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to >>> face >>> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. 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