Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder!
-----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this case. I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned it for illustration purpose. Harish. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <[email protected]> wrote: > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > past I have always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative >> down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining >> body can provide not less than a matriculate. >> >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >> >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >> original guidelines. >> >> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they >> are >> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this >> should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this >> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after >> explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely >> attributable to the subcommittee. >> >> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less >> in >> qualification than the candidate. >> >> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with >> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational >> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too >> bad but ground realities will tell. >> >> 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of >> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to >> the courts. >> >> 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to >> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and >> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the >> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the >> argument about supervision. >> >> 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. >> We >> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. >> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a >> lot of diplomacy. >> >> 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional >> scribes. >> >> >> 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court and >> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. >> >> 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give >> your >> input on these crucial issues. >> >> 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to >> face >> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. 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