Hi all, Many of the problems such as finding a suitable writer at the last minute due to unsuitability or health issues could be solved if the examination system is a bit flexible. Accommodating people with various needs is not easy so examining bodies could consider second chance in a few days.
Many international examining bodies allow you to retake the exam if due to unavoidable circumstances your exam could not be completed on the set date. They also provide religious alternative dates for candidates who cannot appear on the set date. I am using religious alternative date as an example of being flexible. Many of you already know, examination bodies such ETS or GMAC also provide 50 to 100 percent extra time for Toefl/GRE / GMAT. Unfortunately even GMAT or GRE are not yet accessible via computer though they allow the candidates to write the descriptive parts using screen readers. I understand that there could be problems regarding diagrams, special symbols etc. many of the suggestions put forward are visionary in nature but we need to go by what is already available. These bodies have a lot of discretion about whom they allow as a scribe. It is their mandate to provide a suitable scribe, but if you request, they do allow your own candidate and they record your session to check for any malpractice. Many of Indian examining bodies would say that they do not have resources to record sessions. But it is their responsibility to provide support for candidates as well as ensure that the integrity of the exam is not compromised. Additional note: One way to make math related content accessible could be a MathML based course material as well as the examination, but that too will not solve diagram issues. So in near future we would have to depend on human scribes. I think UPSC should establish disability support services similar to what Pune University already has. If such a service gets established, UPSC could make incremental modifications every year. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 3:56 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines George, I think it was used to illustrate the scenario. Well, firstly PhD candidate shouldn't be applying to compete for a clerk post. Overall point is if scribe qualification is slightly less than what the job is needed should be enough. If at all that less qualification is a mandate. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com Let's create an inclusive web! Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:41 PM, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote: > Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely > higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed > scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder! > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Kotian, H P > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a > clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 > candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to > consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. > Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in > this case. > > I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. > Mentioned it for illustration purpose. > > Harish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > > past I have always looked for graduates. > > > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Congrats! > >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in > >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and > >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. > >> > >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. > >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. > >> > >> > >> सादर / With thanks & Regards > >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur > >> > >> 0712 2806846 > >> > >> President > >> VIBEWA > >> Co-Moderator > >> VIB-India > >> > >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > >> laughter. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] > >> On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 > >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >> concerning the disabled.' > >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > >> > >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already > >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues > >> > >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > >> > >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem > because > >> no one really implemented the guidelines. > >> > >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that > >> these > >> guidelines were unfair. > >> > >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines > gave > >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > >> > >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > >> complained > >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > >> > >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times > >> but > >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > >> > >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > >> meeting on 20th June. > >> > >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U > PS > >> C > >> and SSC. > >> > >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > >> had > >> gone to meet the Minister. > >> > >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion > on > >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give > >> our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > >> > >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. > >> > >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > >> person > >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. > >> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the > representative down. > >> > >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The > recommendations > >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. > >> > >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of > the > >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining > >> body can provide not less than a matriculate. > >> > >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > >> > >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the > >> original guidelines. > >> > >> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they > >> are > >> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this > >> should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this > >> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem > >> after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and > >> squarely attributable to the subcommittee. > >> > >> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be > less > >> in > >> qualification than the candidate. > >> > >> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only > with > >> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational > >> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound > >> too bad but ground realities will tell. > >> > >> 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups > of > >> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to > >> the courts. > >> > >> 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going > to > >> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and > >> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the > >> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the > >> argument about supervision. > >> > >> 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. > >> We > >> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. > >> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a > >> lot of diplomacy. > >> > >> 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional > >> scribes. > >> > >> > >> 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court > and > >> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. > >> > >> 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give > >> your > >> input on these crucial issues. > >> > >> 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to > >> face > >> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. 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