You could have complained to the UPSC . One letter of complaint would have helped us in our negotiations. Kanchan -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lyngdoh Sent: 28 June 2018 13:40 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
Hi Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam period. What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for it? On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dananjay > > Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of > the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in > providing scribes. > I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence > > Please also document the process of the equipment used, the > preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the > recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that > it becomes a fully transparent process. > > > Your thoughts please. > > Harish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Dear All, > > > Very important discussion going on. > I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions > providing scribe from their side? > Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I > have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university > department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior > person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and > superviser as well. > Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful > to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what > student is dictating. > Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to > coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as > what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the > scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I > suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year > lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the > scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science > background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for it. > > Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience > of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes > as well which provides scribes to students. > > I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam > who was not able to understand and read and write several > terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. > Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if > scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. > > Regards > On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra <[email protected]> wrote: >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >> criteria for both candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't >> it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth >> passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Congrats! >>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>> >>>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>>> >>>> >>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>>> >>>> 0712 2806846 >>>> >>>> President >>>> VIBEWA >>>> Co-Moderator >>>> VIB-India >>>> >>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>>> laughter. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerning the disabled.' >>>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>> >>>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>>> >>>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>>> >>>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>>> because >>>> no one really implemented the guidelines. >>>> >>>> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >>>> these >>>> guidelines were unfair. >>>> >>>> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines >>>> gave >>>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >>>> >>>> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >>>> complained >>>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >>>> >>>> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >>>> but >>>> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >>>> >>>> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at >>>> this >>>> meeting on 20th June. >>>> >>>> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U >>>> PS >>>> C >>>> and SSC. >>>> >>>> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the >>>> Secretary >>>> had >>>> gone to meet the Minister. >>>> >>>> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion >>>> on >>>> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give >>>> our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal >>>> meeting. >>>> >>>> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >>>> >>>> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >>>> person >>>> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >>>> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the >>>> representative down. >>>> >>>> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The >>>> recommendations >>>> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >>>> >>>> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of >>>> the >>>> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining >>>> body can provide not less than a matriculate. >>>> >>>> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >>>> >>>> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be >>>> used.Our >>>> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >>>> original guidelines. >>>> >>>> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they >>>> are >>>> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this >>>> should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this >>>> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem >>>> after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and >>>> squarely attributable to the subcommittee. >>>> >>>> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be >>>> less >>>> in >>>> qualification than the candidate. >>>> >>>> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only >>>> with >>>> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational >>>> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound >>>> too bad but ground realities will tell. >>>> >>>> 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups >>>> of >>>> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to >>>> the courts. >>>> >>>> 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going >>>> to >>>> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and >>>> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the >>>> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the >>>> argument about supervision. >>>> >>>> 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 >>>> people. >>>> We >>>> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. >>>> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a >>>> lot of diplomacy. >>>> >>>> 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional >>>> scribes. >>>> >>>> >>>> 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court >>>> and >>>> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. >>>> >>>> 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give >>>> your >>>> input on these crucial issues. >>>> >>>> 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to >>>> face >>>> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. 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