Proceed sir. On Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 7:47 a.m. George Abraham, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Absolutely! There is no reason why we should have to compromise on this > front. Access should not and must not be denied.! We are actually fighting > against a wide spread ignorance, a lack of understanding, an attitude and a > lack of competence. A lot of people in the mainstream do not know or never > heard of access. Many believe that partial access is ok. A lot of IT > professionals have not even heard of the W3CAG norms. IT schools have to > make accessibility mandatory part of their course. The orders have to come > from the top, maybe even right on top from the PM himself. Small side fixes > and tweaks will not sort matters out. Accessibility is not an individual > issue, it is a community issue, it needs to be viewed as a National > challenge. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:49 AM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible > > Why only IRCTC? Why not we file petition in supreme court to make all > internal, external websites and applications accessible including > government, public sector and private sector and demand for a nodal officer > to complaint regarding accessiblility? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Giri Prasad > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:33 AM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible > > Hi, > let us pressurize the officials to make IRCTC accessible across all the > screen readers and browsers. > Since there are 2000 to 3000 members on access India mailing group, it > would be better if we can post it on the social media like facebook and > twitter and pressurise the officials. > > > On 24/09/2018, Dr. Aruni Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, There is nothing personal about my mail. Whatever issues have been > > raised are causing concern to all of us. For me, it is all about > > getting things done so long as the issues are not fixed by the > > authorities. As far as question of installing multiple browsers and > > screen readers is concerned, I use all most all browsers and screen > > readers as everyone of them has its own merits. Things have become > > slightly tough in windows10 as Edge doesn’t have good support for JAWS > > at the moment. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: bhawani shankar verma > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 7:10 PM > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible > > > > Aruni Ji, your reply in this topic seems that you are presenting IRCTC > > part in the matter. The website must be accessible across screen > > readers. Your mail suggest me to install multiple web browser with > > multiple screen readers. as the case in particular, I have no problem > > with IRCTC at all. > > secondly, the PRS counter is just 1km from my office, hence, > > purchasing train ticket is not a barrier for me in particular. > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, 6:59 p.m. Ved, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> But the railway officials are telling a lie. Let us ask for a meeting > >> with their technical teem and demonstrate their lies in practicals. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma > >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:11 AM > >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >> concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible > >> > >> dear amar, here is my letter sent to IRCTC and their reply to AICB: > >> > >> To, > >> The Director > >> Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation Ltd., B 148, 11th > >> Floor, Statesman House, Barakhamba Road New Delhi-110001 > >> > >> Subject: Denial of Internet ticketing facility to blind persons > >> > >> Dear Sir/Madam, > >> > >> I am writing on behalf of the visually impaired community of the > country. > >> Your Railway Ticketing website www.irctc.co.in has now become totally > >> inaccessible to use for the millions of blind persons in the country. > >> It may be noted that with persistent advocacy and favourable court > >> orders In the court of CCPD vide Case No. 88/1101/13-14 dated > >> 06/12/2013, Bhawani Shankar Verma VS IRCTC we had been able to get > >> the changes implemented in the earlier IRCTC website. In particular > >> OTP based verification was specially introduced as an alternative to > >> the graphical CAPTCHA. Even though the website was not fully > >> compliant to the International or National Web Accessibility > >> Guidelines, it was usable by digitally literate blind persons > >> including myself. You may be aware that even totally blind persons > >> can use the computer and internet independently using Screen Reading > >> software (Talking software like NVDA, Jaws). However, despite having > >> this ability blind persons cannot use the websites which are designed > >> in violation of standard practices and accessibility guidelines. > >> You have recently put in place a totally new website for internet > >> ticket booking. This website is unfortunately totally inaccessible > >> for blind persons and also those disabled persons who cannot use the > >> computer mouse. > >> The OTP verification feature put in place by you is of no use now. > >> The blind persons are not able to even reach to the login form. > >> We have received complaints to this effect from many blind persons > >> from the country. I have also personally verified the issues with the > website. > >> We urge you to immediately get the website tested and retrofitted for > >> accessibility. It must be made compliant to the Web Content > >> Accessibility Guidelines version 2.0. We can assist in this process if > you so desire. > >> You will appreciate that blind persons like other citizens have a > >> right to use the railways and therefore should be capable of booking > >> tickets online. > >> The Ministry of Social Justice has in fact provided Online Rail > >> Reservation Concession Cards in collaboration with railways for this > >> purpose. But now with the change in the reservation website, these > >> Cards are also of no use. > >> Please take up this matter urgently and for the moment restore > >> previous version of the website. You may get the new interface tested > >> and corrected simultaneously. Any change in this kind of website > >> should be done only after disability accessibility audit since it is > >> used by persons with different capabilities and disabilities all over > >> the country. > >> I am sorry to say that if urgent action is not taken on this matter, > >> we will be forced to escalate this matter to the Government and > Judiciary. > >> > >> Thanking you, > >> > >> > >> (Bhawani Shankar Verma) > >> Behind Bombay ricemill, Millpara, > >> Durg, CG 491001 > >> Ph:9827157594. > >> > >> REPLY FROM IRCTC: > >> > >> INDIAN RAILWAY CATERING AND TOURISM CORPORATION LTD. (A Govt. of > >> India Enterprise-Mini Ratna) > >> > >> "CIN.U7489913L1999G01101707" : info(crirctc.com Website : > >> www.iretc.com > >> > >> Date : > >> > >> No.2014/IRCTC/ERTD/E-Tickets Date:26.07.2018 > >> > >> Dy. Chief Commissioner, > >> > >> Department of Empowerment of Persons with Disabilities > >> > >> Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment > >> > >> Government of India > >> > >> New Delhi > >> > >> Sub: Complaint dated 22.06.2018 of Mr. J.L Kaul, Secretary General, > >> All India Confederation of the Blind regarding inaccessible online > >> portal www.ircte.co.in > >> > >> Ref: Your office letter No. 9990/1101/2018 dated 12.07.2018 > >> > >> With reference to above, the pointwise comments on the prayer > >> raised by complainant are as under: > >> > >> It is not possible to revert to the old User Interface as New User > >> Interface has been designed to provide more and advanced features > >> looking to the present day trends in ecommerce online Travel Portals. > >> New User interface has been liked by a very large number of users. > >> > >> However, to ensure that Blind persons are able to book tickets > >> without any problem and in the same manner as in the old User > >> Interface, all the functionalities like OTP in place of Captcha and > keyboard navigation etc. > >> have been restored in New User Interface also which were temporarily > >> not available for some time due to migration issues. Now these > >> functionalities are working properly and are at par with old User > >> Interface. In view of above explanation, need of going back to old > >> User Interface does not exist New User Interface has many new > >> functionalities like waitlist prediction etc. which were not > >> available in old User Interface and the need for the same was felt > >> for quite some time in past. > >> > >> This is being ensured, however a temporary lapse occurred due to > >> technical issues. In future, additional care will be taken. > >> > >> Web accessibility has been made available at par with old User > >> Interface. > >> > >> We are sure that many persons with visual impairment might have > >> used the new User Interface after changes have been rectified. If > >> still any gap is felt by the Confederation in old User Interface and > >> New User Interface, the same may be brought to our notice for further > >> rectification. > >> > >> > >> - > >> > >> (Sunil Kumar) GGM IT, IRCTC > >> > >> > >> Copy: r. J.L. Kaul, Secretary General, All India Confederation of > >> Blind > >> > >> Regd. & Corp. Office: 11th Floor, B-148, Statesman House, Baralthamba > >> Road, New Delhi-110 001. Tel. :011-23311263-64 Fax: 011-233112% IT > Deptt. > >> : > >> Internet Ticketing Center, IRCA Building. State Entry Road, New > >> Delhi-110055 Tel. : 23345804. 23345805 Fax : 011-23741117 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Amar Jain > >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:49 AM > >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >> concerning the disabled. > >> Subject: Re: [AI] IRCTC became inaccessible > >> > >> Wasn’t Turab helping with this? Call me on 9892622230 if nobody helps. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Amar Jain > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On 24-Sep-2018, at 7:23 AM, sazid shaik <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear friends, > >> > As yesterday I asked the list members who can draft a letter the > >> > issues facing by our blind persons do not know wether that mail > >> > hits this list or not for the same once again i am writing this mail. > >> > please respond as early as possible. As our GM is coming on 1st > >> > october. > >> > > >> > thanks and regards, > >> > sazid > >> > > >> >> On 9/13/18, Yogesh Chhabra <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Dear friends as IRCTC became inaccessible so I have posted a tweet > >> >> to Piyush Goyal and Railway ministry and other concerned Ministry > >> >> the ministry of Electronics and information technology and its > >> >> Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad. here I would like to see your > >> >> replies on that we eat so that more and more efforts can be made > >> >> on this issue. 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