Hello friends, Providing clarity about Indo-NVDA license.
The NVDA provided by Saksham is named Indo-NVDA. This includes license for Nuance Vocalizer and Eloquence voices. Our License agreement with Nuance specifically mentions Nuance Vocalizer and Eloquence voices. Nuance holds the ownership of Eloquence. Else, this would not be sold by Nuance to its venders. If there is any distribution of Eloquence possible without taking license from Nuance, then I am not aware of it and an not in position to comment on it. Thus, be assured, there is nothing shady going on at Saksham. You get the following with the Indo-NVDA package: Installer with Indian Language Vocalizer voices and Eloquence Add-on for any other Vocalizer voice on request. Support services This is what Saksham charges for and it is all fully legal and transparent. We always had a dream that Indian languages need to be supported in the screen reading software and I am very satisfied that with the efforts of Saksham and several partner organizations such as CIS, Hans foundation, Hear2Read and Nuance Vocalizer team we have TTS available for 16 Indian languages. In addition to the distribution of special Indo-NVDA, Saksham is also involved in adding India specific features in the open source NVDA available from NV-Access. Whatever is possible to be made part of NVDA is released as open source package itself. Support for reading graphs in excel, the all the features available through NVDA-F7 key in Excel. Sentence reading with alt-down arrow in MS word, phonetic clarity of character with double click of NVDA-dot (.) for Indian languages, are few of these. We do not restrict outcome of our work just to the licensed copy of Indo-NVDA. This is to make clear that profit and money has never been the motive for our work in this field. Several outstanding and extremely talented individuals and entities have contributed to make this possible. While we are on the topic of Indo-NVDA, the current version of Vocalizer add-ons provided with Indo-NVDA are not compatible with NVDA 19.3. Thus do not upgrade to 19.3 till new version of Indo-NVDA is released. Feel free to write to Saksham for any clarification. Thanks Dipendra -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia <[email protected]> On Behalf Of john clayton Sent: 16 February 2020 11:17 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice Hi, I always thought that was a bit shady of them (Saksham) to do that, But to be perfectly honest with you, they could be either charging for the other 2 scansoft? nuance voices, or the eloquence they addon they bundled in worked on some other licensing deal. I haven't used that particular version myself, so can't speak with clarity. If they were using the same version of the eloquence addon and were charging for it, it was definitely not right of them to do so, but Saksham will need to be the one to speak up on it as all I will end up doing here would be speculation. I know what I know, as the addon was developed in a community I was a part of. On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 10:21, Satguru Rathi <[email protected]> wrote: > But then Saksham was charging for the eloquence and the Indian voices > for NVDA and for that Eloquence internet was only required while > installing the package as registration was supposed to be happening at > Saksham server. Now how can it happen that where there is a free > eloquence is available (no crack) as John states, and at the same time > Saksham is charging for the same. Strange? > > > > With best regards, > Satguru Rathi > Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985 > > On 15-02-2020 08:50 pm, john clayton wrote: > > Hi, > > Both of you are not entirely correct. > > The previous version of eloquence addon that worked with NVDA > > versions older than 2019.3, was not cracked/ pirated in any way, but > > was not authorised by Nuance or nvda either. It was developed by an > > anonymous person because talks by the NVDA team had failed to > > acquire the licence to it, as NVDA would then need to charge its > > users per copy of > nvda > > downloaded and used with eloquence as demanded by Nuance. > > Codefactory later on started selling a version of eloquence which > doesn't > > work if you aren't connected to the internet so would be money down > > the drain, specially for people in india, where internet > > connectivity isn't exactly great. > > The current version of the eloquence Addon is even more cleaner > > and > avoids > > those grey areas as its just the IBM driver, and people need to > > source > the > > copy of the eloquence synths themselves from something like the > > older version of the addon, cursvale etc etc. > > So whilst the statement that cracked software can not be used with > nvda as > > it's open sourced is incorrect (have seen a few around), The > > eloquence addon that works with 2019.2 and older wasn't exactly piracy > > either. > > Chil down and hold your horses, mates. > > hth some. > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 12:40, Satguru Rathi > > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> I don't know where do you get your facts from as you have said > >> "Since NVDA is open source software & crack software can't work with this > >> one". > >> As you remember, the previous eloquence was not a valid one and was > >> indeed a cracked one. I don't remember seeing anywhere anything > >> being said about eloquence being made open source. Being an open > >> source software doesn't mean you can not use some crack addon with > >> that. And, modding something to something and changing the name > >> doesn't make that thing one's property and eloquence was and > >> remains to this day a copyright property unless the original > >> developers choose to declare it open source which they haven't yet > >> done. I will no more right on this and will leave it for the > >> moderators to decide. If you think you can convince them for the > >> legality of your post, I have no problem and have nothing against you > >> personally. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> With best regards, > >> Satguru Rathi > >> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985 > >> > >> On 14-02-2020 07:10 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote: > >>> Since NVDA is open sourse software & crack software can't work > >>> with this one. Though this belongs to another company but its not > >>> a crack one. previously many of us were using mobile speak, it was > >>> also from Code Factory instead of Talks software. I know the rules > >>> and regulations of this group very well. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Satguru Rathi" > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >>> concerning the disabled." <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 11:00 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDvoice > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one > >>>> being offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I > >>>> wonder if this can be considered as valid one as this is a modded > >>>> version of the previous Eloquence by the same people and may > >>>> violate the copyright laws. Using it or not is a personal choice > >>>> but sharing it on the group needs to be re-thought. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> With best regards, > >>>> Satguru Rathi > >>>> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985 > >>>> > >>>> On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote: > >>>>> Hello Sir! > >>>>> You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link. > >>>>> you need to install the same like earlier eloquence. > >>>>> > >> > https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1&expor > t=download > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian" > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >>>>> concerning the disabled." <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM > >>>>> Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> All > >>>>>> Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list. > >>>>>> I am also responding with <Hk> inline. > >>>>>> Harish. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Quoting: > >>>>>> Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. > >>>>>> I downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the > >>>>>> voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I > >>>>>> can restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an > >>>>>> irritant to use NVDA. Any way out? > >>>>>> <hk> It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. 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