Re: [AI] Naib Tahsildar

Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:35:46 -0800 

Hi Kanchan

To add my 2 cents:
We used to have a officer who was blind before he joined us at RBI. Initially, clerks were given to him to assist him in reading. Problems surfaced with this arrangement. later on, on a new strategy was adopted. He was given a fixed allowance and he was given the freedom to get a assistant of his choice and also could compensate them for it. 


I preffered to choose for technology as that was more suitable for my work 
profile. This too was given.



In short, accomodation should be need based with a qualifier in terms of 
reasonablness. The reasonableness factor should apply both to the employer 
and the employeed.



Very often, cost of accomodation is made an issue by those who want to make 
an issue and excuse.



Here I would like to site the use of a typewriter. Use of machine writing 
for official correspondence would not be a manual requirement.  It is used 
for the benefits this had to offer.


Neither capital expense of consumable expense is argued about.


We should also take the similar line, accomodatio should be need based and 
of course reasonable.


Harish.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pamnani" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Naib Tahsildar



Sorry to go on with this issue on the list but now I have been informed 
that Tinaikar our visually challenged friend from TN who is a class 1 
officer has a full time clerk to help him with his work.can someone 
confirm this news? Is there anything in writing which guarantees that he 
will get this kind of accomodation?

Now on the mails that I have received on this issue-

Thank you Niranjan for your reply it is interesting that someone out there 
was sensible and sensitive so many years ago to provide reasonable 
accomodation without needing a UN convention to tell him to do so.

Dear Amar,
Please try to find this person in Rajasthan.

Where are our accessindians from Rajasthan-chetan Sharma, Rucher etc. Need 
help my friends!

Regards

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "niranjanraj urs" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Naib Tahsildar



Dear Kanchan Madam,
Namastee. I am not fully conversent in the issue on hand, but desire
to share some thoughts with you. I hope that I am not fully off the
mark. I remember to have heard  about a blind person, who functioned
as a office superintendent in PWD , Karnataka. He happened to be the
father of one of my friends and I had heard that he used to work with
the assistance of some clerical staff. This is some twenty to twenty
five years back when there was no such assistive technologies as we
are having today. Further, in government, cadre is important and a VI
person can always be given other performable tasks in the same cadre.
A good example is in respect of IAS, where VI persons cannot perform
the line duties associated with the posts of an Assistant Commissioner
or a Deputy Commissioner (District Collector). But it is now a matter
of fact that VI persons are eligible to get into IAS.
Hope my above submissions are  relevant.
With regards
Niranjan

On 3/3/09, Pamnani <[email protected]> wrote:

So at this stage can I concede the point that the work of a Naib 
Tahsildar

cannot be done by the totally Blind?

Of course in tomorrow's matter I am only fighting for compensation for 
not
declaring the results of a candidate. Therefore I wont have to get into 
the

issue.


The problem is that while identifying the post we too have identified 
Naib
Tahsildar for Low Vision and not Blind.Is this realistic or too 
pessimestic?
The other issue is that of Partially Sighted . The govt will have to 
remove
that reservation but they will only put it for the Low Vision and not 
for

the Blind.
In the meantime Rajesh please send me your disability certificate.

Thanks for the prompt responses.
Waiting for other thoughts on the issue.

Regards

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Naib Tahsildar



Hello Kanchan

The name of tahaseeldar in Rajasthan remains elusive despite my
searches...

However, I vaguely remember he was posted in some training institute 
for

state revenue department or so, and not in a regular office work.


Regarding job profile of tahaseeldar/naib tahaseeldar, he/she is a 
officer


of state revenue department entrusted with executing the schemes at the
taluka level.
As such, the work may comprise of supervising the schemes, issue of
various certificates, ensuring post disbursement supervision of
utilization of allocated funds for various works, approving

proposals/notes based on supporting file documents in 
print/handwriting,

etc.

The work is performed in well lit and ventilated offices!!! and 
requires

outdoors visits sometimes.
Job requirements may include: reading writing sitting standing etc...


However, most of the file work at the state level is in local language 
and



due to non availability of reading/scanning technology in local 
language,

computers/scanners may only be of very limited use.
So, we may say that a totally blind person can perform the work with
reasonable accommodation if such reasonable accommodation includes live
assistance in the form of a clerical assistance.
I think providing live assistance

full time may be construed disproportionate burden as the post is class 
ii



at the taluka level, and all said and done, a totally blind person is 
not
in a position to verify the numbers etc. which constitute an 
indispensable


part of revenue work at taluka level.
So, we may insist on a totally blind person performing the work
effectively only when clerical assistance is provided adequately, and

nature of work entrusted is safe enough to warrant dispensing with 
cross

verification of data.

Regards

Rajesh

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pamnani
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AI] Naib Tahsildar

2 quick questions
1. I have heard that a totally Blind person is functioning as a Naib
Tahsildar somewhere inRajasthan-please can someone give me his name and
contact number.

If there are any other Tahsildar's who are totally Blind in India 
please

let me know and try to give me details.

2. Please help drafting the job description or profile of a Naib 
Tahsildar


and can a totally Blind person do this job wit reasonable accomodation?
Urgent help required today the matter is in Court tomorrow.
Thanks
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.




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