hi all, why cont we put an end to these. i dont know why these messages keep cluttering inboxes again and again once the thread is closed. Please end these in the spirit of list.
On 3/22/09, Rakesh Kumar Gupta <rkgd1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Moderator and all lists' Members, > There is no limit or end Discussion on any topic. But, we should take care > of this matter that every discussion should be useful for VH persons > according to guidelines of this group and moderator's decision will be final > on any controversy or dispute, otherwise no such group may run smoothly. > Regards, > Rakesh. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vidya" <joshvi...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir > > >> Okay Moderator. >> The hard decisions need to be taken sometimes. I believe it is members >> privillege to express their opinions about what can be accepted on the >> list and what not. But still it is not their right. If it becomes free for >> >> all giving their interpretations, there will be a huge commotion and >> needless traffick on the list. So we have a moderator to take a final >> decision. Now that the decision has been taken and widely endorsed by the >> list members, why do we have these mails? How about putting the repeat >> offenders on a moderated status? It is not easy but perhaps mandatory for >> the peace. The welcome message we got at the time of joining confirmed >> that this list was more for information and problem solving, rather than >> expressing and forcingg opinions. So shouldn't we consider the messages >> that threaten, sulk, fight, shout about the moderator's decision, off >> topic? If so, isn't it proper to put such members on moderated status? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajesh Parakh" <rajeshparak...@yahoo.co.in> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >> >> >>> Dear Rajesh, >>> you should not be provoked to unsubscribe from the list after reading >>> such >>> comments from champions of Indian culture. this list requires your >>> valuable >>> contribution. in my thinking every person loving nature and its beauty >>> will >>> never run away from sex and there's nothing wrong in talking about sex >>> with >>> like minded friends. >>> regards, >>> rajesh parakh. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>> >>> >>>> Dear Access India Moderator >>>> If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein >>>> have >>>> impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies >>>> and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list. >>>> I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know >>>> the >>>> procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has >>>> been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards >>>> desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy. >>>> I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within >>>> the >>>> limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our >>>> constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I >>>> am >>>> an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so. >>>> All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our >>>> respected members for "continuing to raise forbidden queries", and >>>> continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language, >>>> is wrong. >>>> Hope this group of ours will discuss many "useful" topics in future and >>>> will not listen to sex maniacs like me....... >>>> >>>> >>>> Rajesh Asudani >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab >>>> Husain >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>>> >>>> Well sir, >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is >>>> correct - >>>> "blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual". and "I still >>>> am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person >>>> should deprive him/her of all aspects of life". Better, focus on useful >>>> topics. >>>> >>>> >>>> I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and >>>> respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, >>>> don't >>>> allow me to be impatient. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards Shadab Husain >>>> >>>> Easy tips of improving English at >>>> http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> My contributions to the press >>>> http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link >>>> >>>> Many posts on one page >>>> http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=47 >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even >>>> the >>>> essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say. >>>> So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian >>>> culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified? >>>> So curious!!! >>>> And Shadab you have also wrote: >>>> "But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the >>>> standpoint >>>> of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it >>>> in >>>> your course?" >>>> So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to >>>> imply >>>> by >>>> demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong. >>>> Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage >>>> irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves >>>> as >>>> bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to >>>> temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often >>>> unknowing >>>> persons. >>>> Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography. >>>> And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability >>>> of >>>> a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life. >>>> It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should >>>> only >>>> recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that >>>> matter. >>>> Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of >>>> culture/morals >>>> or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the >>>> focus >>>> of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible >>>> pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on >>>> superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual >>>> forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual >>>> for >>>> that matter. >>>> I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my >>>> schoolmates >>>> were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was >>>> raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got >>>> into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and >>>> committed >>>> the act??? >>>> Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step >>>> towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly >>>> reflected constricted mindset of society at large. >>>> >>>> And for those who are interested, the site >>>> http://the-clitoris.com >>>> is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not >>>> clearly >>>> pornographic as it seems to be defined here. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Rajesh >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Rajesh >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab >>>> Husain >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>>> >>>> Rajesh sir: "Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, >>>> that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes >>>> involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such >>>> scenes form >>>> the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme." I >>>> never >>>> intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but >>>> responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and >>>> logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic. >>>> Easy tips of improving English at >>>> http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> My contributions to the press >>>> http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link >>>> >>>> Many posts on one page >>>> http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=47 >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mahesh Panicker" <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>>> >>>> >>>> a highly controversial question indeed. >>>> as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I >>>> believe >>>> the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility. >>>> I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of >>>> things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing >>>> focus. >>>> but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different >>>> issue. >>>> ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is >>>> brought >>>> up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that >>>> his >>>> or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big >>>> trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't >>>> think >>>> access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have >>>> the >>>> freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe >>>> any >>>> questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a >>>> culture >>>> based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the >>>> society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must >>>> remember >>>> in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a >>>> Europian, >>>> but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage. >>>> so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/13/09, harish <har...@accessindia.org.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of >>>>> romance and sexuality. >>>>> >>>>> Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from >>>>> the >>>>> respective moderator. >>>>> The 2 lists which I am refering are: >>>>> 1 dreamromance >>>>> 2 sayeverything >>>>> >>>>> There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on >>>>> Yahoogroups orat google. >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have followed the points from other members both for and against. >>>>> >>>>> However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when >>>>> there >>>>> are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need. >>>>> >>>>> Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this >>>>> thread >>>>> for healthy discussion and not to settle scores. >>>>> >>>>> Harish >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mahendra" <gal...@chello.at> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view. >>>>>> Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members >>>>>> share >>>>>> them. >>>>>> At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Rajesh and others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group >>>>>>> focused >>>>>>> and on rails. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, >>>>>>> let >>>>>>> us >>>>>>> not tred on their shoes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Harish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530 >>>>>>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir >>>>>>> Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of >>>>>>> threat. >>>>>>> I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for >>>>>>> visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be >>>>>>> within >>>>>>> bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any >>>>>>> sexually >>>>>>> colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss >>>>>>> anything illegal. >>>>>>> However, please remember that law does change with mores of society >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow. >>>>>>> Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks. >>>>>>> Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise. >>>>>>> Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to >>>>>>> all, >>>>>>> is the hallmark of accessibility. >>>>>>> And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial >>>>>>> jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of >>>>>>> community, working and teaching in reputed institutions. >>>>>>> A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent >>>>>>> needs >>>>>>> of all human kind. >>>>>>> rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which >>>>>>> renders >>>>>>> humans brute many a times. >>>>>>> Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> pornography in India, but the effort about universality of >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> commendable. >>>>>>> On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with >>>>>>> dialogue >>>>>>> which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to >>>>>>> listeners >>>>>>> like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about >>>>>>> accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least. >>>>>>> I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to >>>>>>> describe >>>>>>> scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even >>>>>>> though >>>>>>> such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> theme. >>>>>>> As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in >>>>>>> comprehending the social life about us. >>>>>>> I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the >>>>>>> age >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> half >>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>> Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> all fields. >>>>>>> Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> constrict it further by man made objections. >>>>>>> Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and >>>>>>> discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rajesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> addressed. 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