Dear Access India Moderator
If this has come to it, and the people like Respected Shadab Hussein have
impudence to write like this, then please accept my heartfelt apologies
and do unsubscribe my humble self from the list.
I am publicly requesting the unsubscription, not because I do not know the
procedure to do so on my own, but I want all to know that this list has
been a wonderful home to me, but I have fallen below minimum standards
desired by it and hence ought to be dispensed with without any mercy.
I think I have taken the liberty of thought and expression well within the
limits of public morality and all other grounds laid down by our
constitution, but if so-called champions of Indian culture feel that I am
an immature and unnecessary piece of clay, then let it be so.
All said and done, I strongly feel that unsubscription of some of our
respected members for "continuing to raise forbidden queries", and
continuance of others despite their uncivilized and provoking language,
is wrong.
Hope this group of ours will discuss many "useful" topics in future and
will not listen to sex maniacs like me.......
Rajesh Asudani
-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Well sir,
Don't say things I haven't said to prove what you are saying is correct -
"blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual". and "I still
am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability of a person
should deprive him/her of all aspects of life". Better, focus on useful
topics.
I sincerely hope that keeping the important time of members in mind and
respecting the moderator you won't respond to this. For God's sake, don't
allow me to be impatient.
Regards Shadab Husain
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Well, responding to my point about Indians shunning to describe even the
essentials, you were found to dwell on cultural issues, so you say.
So, may I construe your stand in this matter of superiority of Indian
culture over western to imply that such omissions are justified?
So curious!!!
And Shadab you have also wrote:
"But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the
standpoint
of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you studied it
in
your course?"
So, Psychology is far from a precise natural science as you seem to imply
by
demanding a clear statement about pornography being wrong.
Pornography may be harmful in some instances as it may encourage
irresponsible or nonconsensual sex, but more often than not, it serves as
bulwark against such activities by permitting a momentary ventilation to
temporary passions without taking them out on unwilling and often
unknowing
persons.
Hardly few rapists are active readers of pornography.
And I still am at a loss to comprehend as to why the visual inability
of
a person should deprive him/her of all aspects of life.
It is tantamount to saying, as many people say, that the blind should only
recite bhajans and not romantic songs or even the sad songs for that
matter.
Hence, If the moderator, without determining the questions of
culture/morals
or blindness being a compulsion to be good/harmless, decides that the
focus
of this list does not permit giving out sites dealing with accessible
pornographic material, then let it be so, but please do not harp on
superiority of Indian or any other culture, or moral values of sexual
forbearance, or blind being under an obligation to be saintly or asexual
for
that matter.
I vividly remember an instance in my school life when four of my
schoolmates
were involved in fornication (termed forced sex) later, a question was
raised in Maharashtra legislative assembly, as to how these foursome got
into a theater and then into a lodge despite their blindness and committed
the act???
Though remorseful about the event, we nonetheless regarded it as step
towards integration and were more outraged at the stupid MLAs who truly
reflected constricted mindset of society at large.
And for those who are interested, the site
http://the-clitoris.com
is a beautiful and accessible site on feminine sexuality, and not clearly
pornographic as it seems to be defined here.
Regards
Rajesh
Regards
Rajesh
-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Rajesh sir: "Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians,
that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes
involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such
scenes form
the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its theme." I
never
intended to indulge into discussion of cultural or moral values, but
responding to this, I was bound to. Well, respecting the consensus and
logic, I feel that now we must stop discussing this topic.
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http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/
My contributions to the press
http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link
Many posts on one page
http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=47
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mahesh Panicker" <maheshspanic...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
a highly controversial question indeed.
as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe
the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility.
I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of
things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing
focus.
but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue.
ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is
brought
up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that
his
or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big
trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think
access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have
the
freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe any
questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a culture
based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the
society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must remember
in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a
Europian,
but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage.
so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing.
On 3/13/09, harish <har...@accessindia.org.in> wrote:
Hi all
Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of
romance and sexuality.
Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the
respective moderator.
The 2 lists which I am refering are:
1 dreamromance
2 sayeverything
There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on
Yahoogroups orat google.
.
I have followed the points from other members both for and against.
However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there
are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need.
Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread
for healthy discussion and not to settle scores.
Harish
----- Original Message ----- From: "mahendra" <gal...@chello.at>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view.
Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members
share
them.
At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote:
Dear Rajesh and others
Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused
and on rails.
Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let
us
not tred on their shoes.
I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters.
Harish.
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have
a
certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of
threat.
I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for
visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be
within
bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually
colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss
anything illegal.
However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and
what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow.
Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks.
Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise.
Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to
all,
is the hallmark of accessibility.
And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial
jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of
community, working and teaching in reputed institutions.
A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent
needs
of all human kind.
rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders
humans brute many a times.
Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of
the
pornography in India, but the effort about universality of
accessibility
is
commendable.
On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to
have
bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue
which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to
listeners
like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about
accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least.
I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to
do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we
the
Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to
describe
scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even
though
such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked
to
its
theme.
As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in
comprehending the social life about us.
I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age
of
sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed
good
night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a
half
ago.
Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in
all fields.
Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us
not
constrict it further by man made objections.
Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be
discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and
discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora.
Regards
Rajesh
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