Actually, I have had a wide experience on incompetent scribes being thrust upon VI by UGC in NET, in my case and other cases. As I have qualified NET in three subjects without any teaching job, I have had fair share of woes in this behalf. Actually, UGC does not permit us to take our own scribes unlike in past, and has imposed a blanket ban on it. They also raise same old presumption of cheating, Which I am loathed to say, some of us also raise citing stray cases of actual cheating prevalent in blind population, as is the norm in all other categories of population. Further, NET coordinators do not understand the meaning of competent scribe.
Competence means scribe should be fluent in reading and writing the language the candidate is attempting exam in and must possess basic spelling and other attributes. Language can be English, or it can be marathi or any other.' For a candidate giving exam in Marathi/Hindi, a scribe reasonably good in English but not in those languages, would be an incompetent scribe. It is very subtle, and I propose that candidate be permitted to take the scribe who is not eligible to appear for the very same exam for which she/he is acting as the scribe, and should not have been so eligible in past three years..... But, anyway, new legal committee has also thought fit that this issue of scribes should be dealt with at policy level by myriad bodies for myriad exams. So, happy fighting.... -----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of S. M. syed hussain Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:18 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] CANDIDATES WITH THEIR scribe needed for the petition..... Hai all, Let me give you an example based on the scribe issue. I sat for the UGC NET at Coimbatore tamilnadu on June 26 2011. The exam was held at Sri Ramakrishna College of Arts & Science for Women Coimbatore. I was given a scribe who was a baccalaureate in chemistry. 1. The person didn't know how to shade the OMR sheet and had to be explained, while the time had already started clicking away. 2. The person's pronunciation was not good, --- I'm polite---- rather, it was horrible. Examples: Essential pronounced as Essen t ial, lively pronounced as live li, lively as live leeness, historian as historican, aids as aits etc. These words I could guess, but the person read so many other words as horrible as possible; literally I happened to make the person spell almost all the words. 3. The person didn't know the use of punctuations. We can make jaws read some, most, all or none but the person was reading out every punctuation mark. 4. Highlight of all, the person skipped the passage in reading comprehension part and just read the questions and its options. I came to know the blunder only at the concluding minutes. (People who have written net exams would understand what I'm saying.) First, I thought from the 6th question its research aptitude and therefore they had asked about historical research. But when she read the 7th answer I could not guess anything because it was again about intellectual historian. So I jumped to the 11th question. Fortunately, I did not attend the questions from 7th to 10th. Yet the unfortunate thing is that the person did not tell me anything about the paragraph typed above the reading comprehension questions. These were audible mistakes. I don't know about invisible things, if I have to think in that way. I was in a dilemma whether or not to sit for the proceeding papers. The reason is if one fails in the first, second will not be evaluated. Amidst all these confusions, I have to make a decision because if I leave the hall without pointing out the blunders, then no one will understand or no one will change things and the blame would be on me. Finally I requested the invigilator, who came only at irregular intervals, to change the scribe. His answer was not appropriate so I demanded for a change because with the same person I cannot write a paper on English literature. Unfortunately, change happened. The new person who came as a scribe was worse than the previous. Thank god, the invigilator was observing the mistakes. He was asking the scribe to read the mispronounced words properly. I really got pissed off. I warned him to change the scribe and if the third alternative was the same then I would be calling up the news agencies and I would be reporting the issue to make it big. He tried intimidating me and talked about the rules duties and the help he is rendering to me. As I did not give up he had to finally bring his peer invigilator as scribe (a lecturer of computer department). The third person was better than all the others but not to the mark. As it was my area I corrected mistakes and decoded the meaning. One instance, students of English would know the first question asked in the 9 marks section, who are university wits was the actual one. The person read as how was the university wits? Another problem was the officials where not well informed about the extra time provided for us. They themselves decided that it's 30 minutes but actually it was 45 minutes. So they alarm me and also completely disturb my flow of thought. Then I had to waste some more time in pointing out the rules from the instructions paper (fortunately I had the paper). Mind you, I have already wasted precious time in arguing and changing several scribers. I'll be having state eligibility test soon. I talked to the authorities to find a solution but vain attempt. They play games by forwarding me back and forth. One says that no one can check the scribers ability it's based on luck. Another says for the sake of one person he cannot change norms. Perhaps Each university has its own unwritten rules in NET or SET though UGC has its own unfair norms. University of Madras provides Scribers who are current students of masters in the same area of the VI candidates. Where as, Barathiar university provides an under graduate from other discipline who are working currently. In the case of Osmania University AP, they provide a non-teaching staff of the same university; they may be of any administrative post such as assistants, clerks, engineers etc. Amith and others, I need your help in these issue. What should one do to make them change the norms? Why shouldn't the options be open? I mean, let them provide eligible scribers or let us bring our own scribers where we will follow the same rules Thanks Syed Hussain On 8/6/11, Amit Bhatt <misterbh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/5/11, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Amit please ask SSisodia. In his matter RBI and SBI have filed replies. >> This >> case changed the SBI rules from 50% to 60%. >> This matter is not over as yet. In this matter we had the meeting on 19th >> February -minutes of this meeting have been sent to you by Rajesh. >> Kanchan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbh...@gmail.com> >> To: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>; >> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] CANDIDATES WITH THEIR scribe needed for the >> petition..... >> >> >>> Thank you Rajesh bhai. >>> I have also come to know that RBI does not bound us with such arbitrary >>> rule of using Scribe with less than 60% marks. >>> I have saved an old recruitment advertisement given by RBI in 2010 where >>> I >>> >>> could see no guideline given for on the use of the Scribe. >>> Since you are working with them, could you see and find out the Scribe >>> rules of RBI? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Amit Bhatt >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Cc: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbh...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:12 PM >>> Subject: RE: [AI] CANDIDATES WITH THEIR scribe needed for the >>> petition..... >>> >>> >>> Dear Amit >>> Please find the minutes of Meeting about scribe policy held by CCPD on >>> Feb. 19, 2008, and Guidelines issued by Maharashtra CPD at the behest of >>> Bombay High court on December 20, 2006, in Marathi along with >>> translation, >>> >>> enclosed. >>> Recent order of April 29, 2011, clarifies that one grade junior means one >>> year junior, and not one course junior... >>> >>> >>> Let us hope that five candidates with desired scribes would come forth. >>> If not, let me know and I myself would apply for any ongoing exams and >>> come forth against the grave injustice being perpetrated on VI in the >>> name >>> >>> of curbing cheating..... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amit Bhatt >>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 10:24 AM >>> To: accessindia >>> Subject: [AI] CANDIDATES WITH THEIR scribe needed for the petition..... >>> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> We will need at least 5 examinees along with their scribe to be >>> presented in the Court if it is required at the initial stage of our >>> petition process. >>> I have been told by Advocate that he needs 5 people who wanted to take >>> their exams using their faithful writers with more than 60% marks but >>> they could not take the exams because of the existing rule of using >>> Scribe with having less than 60% marks only. >>> The Scribes may have to write something on the sheet if Court asks to do >>> so. >>> Actually we have to persuade the Court in an appropriate manner and >>> for that Magistrate may ask us to present some facts. >>> Please do talk to me on 9560175887 if you need any further understanding. >>> Would request any of the 5 victim examinees to come forward with me to >>> process the petition strongly against the arbitrary Scribe policies. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Amit Bhatt >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >>> addressed. 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