Yes, she did say that I will have to go to Mumbai for the pairing process. She has an organisation known as Canines Can Care where the entire process will take place. They have many skilled and efficient trainers who train the dogs there. So, she is not merely a private trainer. She also told me that they have already supplied a guide dog to a woman who has paralysis.
On 05/09/2011, Adina Galani <lotusflowe...@gmail.com> wrote: > In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained > for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable > aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it > comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of > compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, > as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it > trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the > reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a > school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. > Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I > still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on > top to hugely invest on the whole thing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state >> must create an institution for training guide dogs. >> >> I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. >> She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that >> a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to >> create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. >> The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is >> exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide >> dog training schools in the world. >> >> >> >> On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the >>> legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may >>> come >>> in touch with. >>> >>> Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been >>> successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I >>> >>> am >>> aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so >>> I >>> was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken >>> money from anyone. >>> As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I >>> know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before >>> >>> we >>> have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. >>> >>> What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the >>> situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along >>> we >>> can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the >>> requirement in Society. Kanchan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a >>>> complain? >>>> >>>> Vetri. >>>> >>>> On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these >>>>> allegations. >>>>> >>>>> On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. >>>>>> But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have >>>>>> to >>>>>> pay. >>>>>> She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that >>>>>>> dog. >>>>>>> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. >>>>>>> What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate >>>>>>> sponsorships? Kanchan >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many >>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice >>>>>>>> person. >>>>>>>> This is really shocking! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a >>>>>>>> guide dog to me within a few months. >>>>>>>> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a >>>>>>>> guide >>>>>>>> dog would be very, very high. >>>>>>>> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to >>>>>>>> help, >>>>>>>> so the cost would get a bit reduced. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are >>>>>>>> associated with using a guide dog. >>>>>>>> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. >>>>>>>> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> anyone in India. >>>>>>>> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> computer, uses JAWS. >>>>>>>> We have to fight for our rights. >>>>>>>> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the >>>>>>>> privileges >>>>>>>> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the >>>>>>>>> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide >>>>>>>>> dog >>>>>>>>> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized >>>>>>>>> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best >>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our >>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian >>>>>>>>>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> manage >>>>>>>>>> us with very much difficulty? >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of >>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still >>>>>>>>>>> wandering >>>>>>>>>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know >>>>>>>>>>> atleast >>>>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> few more. >>>>>>>>>>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the >>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> telephone call to apolagise. >>>>>>>>>>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to >>>>>>>>>>> train >>>>>>>>>>> dogs >>>>>>>>>>> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think >>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> really qualified to train guide dogs in India. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kanchan >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few >>>>>>>>>>>> months. >>>>>>>>>>>> I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this >>>>>>>>>>>> purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>> They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people >>>>>>>>>>>> living >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else here use a guide dog? >>>>>>>>>>>> Do share your views on this matter. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a >>>>>>>>>>>> guide >>>>>>>>>>>> dog in India. 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