Glad to know that this excellent work is being done in India.
I have a rather useful feature request.
When reading through the message list in Outlook using the up and down arrow
keys, NVDA announces all the column headers along with the message details,
for example, "message read, from Manish Agrawal, Subject {AI} Exciting
development in screen reading software, received 18:30, size 22 kb...".
Column headers like "from", "subject", "received", etc are unnecessary
verbiage especially for someone who spends 3-4 hours a day working with
Outlook.
It would be good to have a feature where these column header announcements
can be turned off for Outlook. It would just be enough for NVDA to announce
"Manish Agrawal, {AI} Exciting developments in screen reading software,
18:30 22kb...". This would make reading through the Outlook message list
much faster and less repetitive.
If there is already a way to do this in NVDA, I would be happy to be told
how.
Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Kiran
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: 06 September 2013 18:29
To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs. '
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hello,
<snip>I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a
better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such
tutorial.</snip> It is interesting to hear all the different user
perspectives. I'll put across mine - and honestly I am not trying to
"inflame" this healthy discussion.
One thing that has not come up in this discussion and is not very obvious to
us as users is that this is "open source" software. It not only means it is
free, it also means that we as users can contribute to it as much as we can.
For example, a tutorial is not something that a software developer only
needs to create. Every single person on this list can contribute to creating
learning resources about NVDA - you try things, read up on the net, ask a
friend etc. and find out a few things about NVDA that you didn't know till
yesterday, feel free to go out and distribute that information to others.
Create your own tutorials, blog posts, podcasts etc. Those will not be
perfect but they will be better than not having anything for the next person
and you would have contributed towards making NVDA better.
So, we can just ask for features and bug fixes and tutorials and wish
someone will do it.
Or we can also contribute in whatever little ways we can - e.g. create
tutorials, volunteer to train others, become beta testers and report
problems etc.
Philosophy aside, some tips for users struggling with new/different concepts
in NVDA:
1. Join the NVDA support mailing list. It is a list similar to access India
and full of very passionate and experienced NVDA users. You can find a lot
of help on the simple and not so simple problems you run into while getting
up to speed with NVDA.
2. NVDA is not jaws. It is a different screen reader that is trying a
different set of innovations and mechanisms to bring accessibility to
software. Spend more time learning NVDA.
3. NVDA is not jaws (did I just say that??). Jaws is much older, has a much
larger team of developers, has much more funding etc. but jaws is also much
more expensive. NVDA is a simpler product and although it is very powerful,
it does not have all the features of jaws. However, at this point it is so
powerful that a user like me who deals with a lot of cutting edge newly
developed software applications on a daily basis is able to run only with
NVDA almost the whole day.
4. Developing a screen reader is very hard. So, if you reported a bug, asked
for a feature etc. and no one seems to hear you for a while, do not despair.
Every small fix in NVDA takes a lot of time and effort. The developers are
probably still fixing the last request.
Regards,
Manish
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Ashik
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 6:38 PM
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones
and Tabs.
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I
listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have
nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better
tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kotian, H P" <[email protected]>
To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phonesand Tabs. " <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
> Hi Dipendra
>
> Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it
> yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for
most.
>
> What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an
> example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific
task.
>
> Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will
> automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen
> reader.
>
> Harish Kotian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha
> Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47
> To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
> phones and Tabs. '
> Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
>
> Review cursor is already always active.
>
> You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws.
>
> NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as
> NVDA+NVDA
> calls it: inside the object.
>
> By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO
> EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING.
>
> WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN
> SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor.
>
> In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of
> actual mouse pointer.
>
> You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion
> pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks.
>
> With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual
> which describes all these featues very well.
>
> There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to
> these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself.
>
> Thanks
> Dipendra
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39
> To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
> mobilephones and Tabs.
> Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
>
> sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA?
> suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can
> easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[email protected]>
> To: "accessindia" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM
> Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
>
>
>> Dear Access-Indians
>>
>> I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of
>> Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source
>> screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from
>> nvaccess.org web site.
>> Its
>> latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some
>> good developments related to NVDA here in India.
>>
>> First; A development team is now working right here in India
>> contributing new features and improving the screen reading software.
>> The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who
>> himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal.
>> Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior
>> knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to
>> the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and
>> also very experienced screen reading software tester.
>>
>> IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to
>> contribute in development of NVDA.
>>
>> All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS
>> and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation
>> to provide financial support to run this project.
>>
>> Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on
>> priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by
>> concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office
>> applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team
>> contributed to NVDA include:
>>
>> Added sentence reading command
>> Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets
>> and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word
>> Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields
>> Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of
>> status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc...
>> This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how
>> important these features are for us.
>>
>> More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to
>> listen to us and work on what we think are most important features
>> for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One
>> major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was
>> that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in
>> Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because
>> they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I
>> could not make that shift due to my company policy and
>> responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for
>> past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my
>> full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that
>> the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by
>> the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen
>> reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you
>> would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or
>> you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report
it to:
>> [email protected]
>>
>> Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if
>> you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development
>> team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the
>> e-mail provided above.
>> These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured
>> for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new
>> features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA.
>>
>> Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses
>> of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and
>> Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few
>> weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system.
>>
>> I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all
>> Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot
>> of exciting developments are happening here.
>>
>> Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day.
>>
>> Dipendra Manocha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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