Glad to know that this excellent work is being done in India.
I have a rather useful feature request.
When reading through the message list in Outlook using the up and down
arrow
keys, NVDA announces all the column headers along with the message
details,
for example, "message read, from Manish Agrawal, Subject {AI} Exciting
development in screen reading software, received 18:30, size 22 kb...".
Column headers like "from", "subject", "received", etc are unnecessary
verbiage especially for someone who spends 3-4 hours a day working with
Outlook.
It would be good to have a feature where these column header announcements
can be turned off for Outlook. It would just be enough for NVDA to
announce
"Manish Agrawal, {AI} Exciting developments in screen reading software,
18:30 22kb...". This would make reading through the Outlook message list
much faster and less repetitive.
If there is already a way to do this in NVDA, I would be happy to be told
how.
Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Kiran
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: 06 September 2013 18:29
To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs. '
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hello,
<snip>I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need
a
better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such
tutorial.</snip> It is interesting to hear all the different user
perspectives. I'll put across mine - and honestly I am not trying to
"inflame" this healthy discussion.
One thing that has not come up in this discussion and is not very obvious
to
us as users is that this is "open source" software. It not only means it
is
free, it also means that we as users can contribute to it as much as we
can.
For example, a tutorial is not something that a software developer only
needs to create. Every single person on this list can contribute to
creating
learning resources about NVDA - you try things, read up on the net, ask a
friend etc. and find out a few things about NVDA that you didn't know till
yesterday, feel free to go out and distribute that information to others.
Create your own tutorials, blog posts, podcasts etc. Those will not be
perfect but they will be better than not having anything for the next
person
and you would have contributed towards making NVDA better.
So, we can just ask for features and bug fixes and tutorials and wish
someone will do it.
Or we can also contribute in whatever little ways we can - e.g. create
tutorials, volunteer to train others, become beta testers and report
problems etc.
Philosophy aside, some tips for users struggling with new/different
concepts
in NVDA:
1. Join the NVDA support mailing list. It is a list similar to access
India
and full of very passionate and experienced NVDA users. You can find a lot
of help on the simple and not so simple problems you run into while
getting
up to speed with NVDA.
2. NVDA is not jaws. It is a different screen reader that is trying a
different set of innovations and mechanisms to bring accessibility to
software. Spend more time learning NVDA.
3. NVDA is not jaws (did I just say that??). Jaws is much older, has a
much
larger team of developers, has much more funding etc. but jaws is also
much
more expensive. NVDA is a simpler product and although it is very
powerful,
it does not have all the features of jaws. However, at this point it is so
powerful that a user like me who deals with a lot of cutting edge newly
developed software applications on a daily basis is able to run only with
NVDA almost the whole day.
4. Developing a screen reader is very hard. So, if you reported a bug,
asked
for a feature etc. and no one seems to hear you for a while, do not
despair.
Every small fix in NVDA takes a lot of time and effort. The developers are
probably still fixing the last request.
Regards,
Manish
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Ashik
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 6:38 PM
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
mobilephones
and Tabs.
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I
listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have
nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better
tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kotian, H P" <[email protected]>
To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phonesand Tabs. " <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hi Dipendra
Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it
yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup
for
most.
What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an
example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific
task.
Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will
automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen
reader.
Harish Kotian
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha
Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47
To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs. '
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Review cursor is already always active.
You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws.
NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as
NVDA+NVDA
calls it: inside the object.
By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO
EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING.
WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN
SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor.
In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of
actual mouse pointer.
You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion
pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks.
With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual
which describes all these featues very well.
There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to
these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself.
Thanks
Dipendra
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
mobilephones and Tabs.
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA?
suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can
easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[email protected]>
To: "accessindia" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM
Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Dear Access-Indians
I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of
Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source
screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from
nvaccess.org web site.
Its
latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some
good developments related to NVDA here in India.
First; A development team is now working right here in India
contributing new features and improving the screen reading software.
The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who
himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal.
Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior
knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to
the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and
also very experienced screen reading software tester.
IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to
contribute in development of NVDA.
All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS
and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation
to provide financial support to run this project.
Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on
priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by
concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office
applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team
contributed to NVDA include:
Added sentence reading command
Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets
and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word
Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields
Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of
status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc...
This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how
important these features are for us.
More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to
listen to us and work on what we think are most important features
for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One
major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was
that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in
Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because
they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I
could not make that shift due to my company policy and
responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for
past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my
full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that
the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by
the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen
reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you
would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or
you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report
it to:
[email protected]
Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if
you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development
team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the
e-mail provided above.
These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured
for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new
features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA.
Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses
of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and
Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few
weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system.
I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all
Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot
of exciting developments are happening here.
Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day.
Dipendra Manocha
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