Hi all, Though I neither attended the convention nor find myself capable enough to comment about this topic,but would like to share my point: Is not to attach every issue with blindness orsighted in itself ,a certification to the inferiority complex we cling to.
-----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:19 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] AccessIndia convention Thank you Amitji for highlighting critical concerns related to the Convention gone by I'm dazed by some of the responses reffering my comment charity equals blindness and poverty. If you analyse some of the comments which are visible on Google search engin as well, undoubtedly many may conclude, look how middle-class english -read blind people discuss about their fellow beings who don't have money, Because they were not born in a family where parants could support them. I strongly clung to my determination and vision for greater inclusion of those who experience exclusion merely on ground of being unable to pay. Let me analyse some of the comments one by one in my response to this thread which has stretched longer unnecessarily me thinks. As Mr Amit already pointed out linguistic expression has been used irresponsibly. AI Moderator wrote on 21st January 2014 block quote On our side, the registration charge was reduced, the topics have been set by members and now the agenda is also available. The online registration is just about 42 and registration amount is received from only 15 members. At this rate, I am afraid, it makes no sense organising a huge event like this. We are giving a last attempt and you may consider an ultimatum. block quote end visit: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/11mepob4iwn65/?&v=c&s=q&q=Ultimatum+&th=1 43bd7a4fcbc8e5a Ultimatum? to whom? Probably low-turn out is the outcome of such ultimatum. Mr Srinivasu Chakravarthula writes block quote BTW, if you say knowledge should be fee, no school / collage or university should charge tuition fee from anyone. block quote end Sir, tuition classes are afforded by who? , its crude business in smaller cities don't you think so? And it has become a fassion these days. for obtaining knowledge/skills one doesn't need tuition necessairily. Mr Ekinath writes block quote As per this specific case, if the consideration was made for non-earning students then how many of them approached the organisers for a leeway? Were they serious about attaining Gyan in the confrance? block quote end Mr Ekinath, acquisition of knowledge doesn't require money in principle, unfortunately market forces have influenced the thinking of many here. If this would have been the case, we would not had Poet like Soordas and Milton. Mr Rahul Bajaj writes block quote impoverished blind people not being able to pay 500 rupees is laughable to say the least. All those who are a part of the AI list at least have a computer or a mobile phone. block quote end FYI, I don't have internet connection in my room, hope this suffice well. And we don't know how many use from their colleges, libraries. and who knows from Cybercafes? Prashant sir writes block quote It seems that self sustainability of any project is not really possible in the VI community. block quote end Very much possible, the Inclusive Planet was one of the prominent platform which facilitated sharing of books to many places to blind people who didn't know from where to arrange books. I myself shared more than 15 hundred books from my computer and JNU library to blind fellow beings. And as far as NGOs in general are concerned, to say the least, CAG should audit them. And what if proposed NCPd should moniter their activities also? but alas private players are free to spread discrimination and not made accountable in RPD Bill. And as per the last year's company act, in majority of cases, 2 per cent spending by companies for CSR again will be on charity model at large. Bijoy writes block quote Demanding rights is not begging, but expecting to get everything free of cost because of blindness definitely is a beggar's attitude. block quote end All individuals love to live dignified life. And nowhere I hinted that everything should be free to blind people. Regards On 2/19/14, Amit Bhatt <[email protected]> wrote: > Friends, > > Though I could not make my presence in the 4th convention of > Accesindia group this time, and thus I don't deem myself to be > entitled to give my comment on the current thread, however, I thought > to put my view across after following this discussion on the board. > > I have also been organizing such events and seminars since last 7-8 > years and yes, undeniably it is not an easy chore to make the > arrangement without getting the full cooperation from the members. It > becomes more thorny task when people do not submit the said > registration amount. Being an another organizer I too can understand > the intricacy in arranging the things in to a proper system and I > strongly endorse the view of submitting the registration fee but as > Ms. Sherene said, perhaps many of us have misunderstood what Mr. > Avinash wanted to communicate here. This is also a cause that the > entire discussion is moving to the direction that has nothing to do > with the original message. > The problem arises when some of us do not welcome the critical > observation as I understand Avinash was responding to a mail in this > regard and everyone has his or her own opinion. > Now I'll come to the point, I am astonished to se the response from > those members who all the time blame the blindness for demand and not > following the money matter despite of the fact that the people here > also clame to be a part of mainstream. > Friends, if we are really a part of mainstreamed world, then I don't > think there was any need to always include the blindness for demand > and so called bagging. I have done all my schooling, college with > mainstream communities only. Moreover I have also experienced this > attitude of not giving the registration fee and etc amongst the > sighted people or so called mainstreamed world in such conferences and > seminars as I do participate in the convention and colloquium > organized for the sighted people as well. So why I am sharing it with > you all to urge please do not include the blindness or the people with > vision impairment in every disparaged act or action. Avoiding the > registration charges or expecting the things free of cost has nothing > to do with the disability, but it can be a nature or mental propensity > of any human being on this earth what so ever. > Another point, I don't wanted to say anything about the Non > Governmental Organization in this discussion, but someone has already > talked about these NGO stating that they do not get the fund and it is > really difficult to collect the monetary support, I agree also here to > a great extend, but people blaming the blind for any deprecated > actions or attitude shown by the people, I would please like to ask a > questions here, do you assume that all our NGO's are actually > catering the needs of the disadvantaged people with full honesty and > integrity? If not, then these NGO's are also required to be scaled > with the same line by which the blind people are being scaled. Here it > is important for me to clear that I am not including every NGO in the > example of non sincere case, as there are indeed a few NGO's doing so > well in the favor of disabled or disadvantaged segments of the > society. If any NGO is getting donations from the donors and other > government departments in the name of the blind or disabled, and that > fund is not being properly utilized for the welfare of the people, > then this act of any NGO is nothing more than a bagging from the > benefactors. I do not understand that why our socialist and activist > like Arvin Kesriwal has not demanded to include the NGO's in Lokpal > Bill of India. I don't want to go in the deep discussion just for the > sake of NGO's because "Bat nikalegi to fir door talak jayegi." > So friends, my objective is to simply say that mistakes, bagging, good > attitude or bad attitude is a part of a human nature, it has again > nothing to do with the blindness. Because most of us do not deal with > such activities taking in the mainstreamed world, that is why we find > everything bad happening amongst the blind folks, and presume > everything positive being in sighted or visual world. > Another thing I wanted to tell here that Avinash participated in this > event in behalf of a co-host NGO of this convention and he himself did > not take anything in form of memento given to the members during the > convention. Unfortunately he and JNU was superfluously targeted by > some of the members. And some people had the doubt in the reputation > of Javahar Laal Nehru University Delhi? I believe a well reputed study > centre like JNU is not required any Certification of reputation or > status by any of us. If we have any qualm over it, I think we should > recheck our information and knowledge. > Finally I would conclude my thoughts under below cited points. > > 1. Every member should submit the said registration amount for the > proper functioning. > 2. The problem of being beggar or anticipating things free of cost is > also there in sighted or mainstream communities, not only in > blindness. > 3. Being a host and organizer, one has to use proper language and > polite words while addressing to the members. Some of the members have > noticed a harsh formation of words in the written communiqué while the > organizers were showing their annoyance before or after convention. > 4. It is also a responsibility of the organizers to depute the people > who could collect the required registration amount from the > participants. > 5. There was a mess of information on the registration site and it was > mix of text of old convention, I think these all need to be corrected > in the next time. Fusion group was not given with proper treatment or > people including some of the organizers could not become the witness > of Fusion program. Also the Fusion program was perhaps not covered > under the audio recording. > 6. Last but not the least, we all are friend here and none of us would > like to break the heart of others. Suggestions, appreciation and > critics should be welcomed with equal spirit. Let us always try to see > good in bad, and not bad in good. All the organizers of 4th > Accessindia convention including the Moderator and Score Foundation > are appreciated and valued for their every best effort made to finish > a successful convention. > Now let us all come together and enjoy the audio recording of the > convention. > > Regards, > > Amit Bhatt > > > On 2/19/14, bijoy sukumaran <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am saddened to read the comment by a fellow JNUite regarding the >> registration fee of AI convention. >> The conferences that some of the centres offer, provide free of >> charge, not only quality intellectual discussion, but delicious food >> and liquor as well. >> The organisers don't have to worry about the funding, some running >> around to the administration block and some exchange of letters, the >> funding is taken care of. >> Now can we expect the same from NGOs which don't have any source of >> income other than the good will of the sponsors? >> I am in full agreement with him in the matter of free dissemination >> of knowledge, but unsure of its practicability. >> The idea of free conference for all whereas food for only those who >> can pay for it sounds pathetic. >> It will be piteous to see some people who have money in their pocket >> eat, while some go hungry because of the shortage of money. >> Even if the organisers wave off the registration fee in order to >> ensure the free flow of knowledge there are other barriers which >> stand on this free flow of knowledge dissemination, to travel to the >> venue a person will have to spend money for metro, rickshaw and so on. >> Demanding rights is not begging, but expecting to get everything free >> of cost because of blindness definitely is a beggar's attitude. >> >> >> On 2/19/14, Prashant Verma <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I feel very sad to read the comments about the registration fees. >>> All the registered participants got a USB drive, a smart jute bag >>> and other material. The cost of this alone would be close to Rs. >>> 500. >>> The registration fee was not enough to pay for the food, snacks, the >>> audio system, tentage, support staff etc. >>> >>> This kind of reaction will surely discourage people who would >>> thought of hosting the next convention. Many people took time off >>> from their busy schedule to help out, this is a sad outcome for >>> them. >>> >>> If I had the assurance of getting nominal registration fees from >>> participants I could have organized so many useful programs on a >>> regular basis at NAB Delhi. >>> Instead of focussing our energies on devising useful programs and >>> services we in the NGO sector have to spend most of our time finding >>> sponsors. >>> It seems that self sustainability of any project is not really >>> possible in the VI community. >>> >>> If we investigate we will find that this kind of attitude among us >>> is one of the reasons why assistive technology development has not >>> taken off in India. >>> There is virtually no market for quality products and services among >>> the visually impaired even though thousands are now employed. We >>> want everything free or subsidized. >>> >>> I am sure that George, Harish myself and others will not get >>> deterred by this. Our resolve to do something meaningful and >>> productive for the community is too strong even though we will think >>> twice before accepting to host the next AI convention. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> Sent: 18 February 2014 20:28 >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] AccessIndia convention >>> >>> It's sad that people are trying to defend the indefensible. We are >>> making a mountain out of a mole hill. The comment about impoverished >>> blind people not being able to pay 500 rupees is laughable to say >>> the least. All those who are a part of the AI list at least have a >>> computer or a mobile phone. >>> So, I find it hard to believe that such people would have to run >>> from pillar to post to accumulate 500 rupees. >>> We always keep harping about the fact that we deserve empathy and >>> not sympathy. >>> This is precisely the reason why most people view us as mere >>> objects of charity and sympathy. >>> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but it is on account of such a fickle >>> mindset that we always keep asking for reservation instead of >>> improving our skills and competence. >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:42 PM, avinash shahi >>>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think discussion should not rest on JNU. It is not a centre of >>>> discussion. if I give figures then many would write back alleging >>>> me defending to the core... >>>> But from Sonia's National Advisory Council to Planning Commission, >>>> From mainstream print and electronic media to secretaries >>>> positions, and from Well-known Universities to many Ambacies in the >>>> world JNUites are well placed. >>>> Hope people don't ask anymore questions writing my name, I have >>>> already made clear my point on money issue. >>>>> On 2/18/14, Ekinath Khedekar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Dear List Members, >>>>> >>>>> Quite amused to see the theme of the discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Dear Avinash, >>>>> The state or any organiser simply can not print notes or plead for >>>>> sponsorships. The models be it organisational or economic are >>>>> bound to fail due to inefficiencies if they are not based on >>>>> revenue driving philosopy. When i had come to JNU and seen people >>>>> enjoying free delicacies and ending the seminar with out any clear >>>>> results achieved, i was made to think that in Mumbai even students >>>>> and for that matter anything that we do, we have to pay through our noses. >>>>> >>>>> Universities like JNU receives a grant as they deserve, but what >>>>> does it offer in return to the nation? >>>>> How many research papers are implemented in mainstream public >>>>> affairs, which have changed the development landscape as desired >>>>> by so called scholars? You can certainly sensitize us. >>>>> I am not sure if the university rankings are done on that basis. >>>>> It must be on number of research papers and not their quality, >>>>> therefore, not even a single Indian university ranks amongst top >>>>> 200 universities around the world. >>>>> >>>>> Talking about "begging bowl" mindset, that's the biggest problem >>>>> in our society. We would love to call us honourable, but we would >>>>> not think twice to lay down most important right of of voting for >>>>> a bottle of liquor or 2 rupees a kg grains. That's why most >>>>> incompetent rule us. >>>>> >>>>> Hard working guys and cities pay innumerable taxes and so called >>>>> Garib keeps breeding with out worrying for their children's bellies. >>>>> But i don't blame them. It's the scholars or educated like us who >>>>> have to sensitize. >>>>> >>>>> As per this specific case, if the consideration was made for >>>>> non-earning students then how many of them approached the >>>>> organisers for a leeway? >>>>> Were they serious about attaining Gyan in the confrance? >>>>> >>>>> If i was in their place, i would have written to the organisers >>>>> for the allowance. Never mind, soon the days are coming where >>>>> universities will not get bulk grants but scholarships for >>>>> performing students. WB is soon adopting that philosophy. And for >>>>> a quality knowledge discimination one would have to pay or has to >>>>> be so promising that he is given a scholarship. >>>>> >>>>> But the point missed here is how can i crash in to a place where >>>>> entry is conditional on fees? That's quite a pilfering. What >>>>> knowledge such people will gain and what will they preach? >>>>> >>>>> Signing off >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/18/14, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Sorry, but I disagree. registration fee is not just for food but >>>>>> also for logistics. If we open sessions for free what if more >>>>>> people than the seating capacity are turned up. In general, many >>>>>> events open exhibition for free but not sessions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu Sent from my >>>>>> iPhone 5C >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18-Feb-2014, at 13:02, avinash shahi >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not against the collecting money from the attendees in such >>>>>>> conventions. >>>>>>> Food and accomodation can't be provided for free. So coopon >>>>>>> could be made manditory. >>>>>>> But as I erlier wrote: nobody should be barred from listening >>>>>>> talks and visiting exhibition solely on ground of non-payment. >>>>>>> Who knows many attendees only attended talks and didn't join all >>>>>>> for food due to their busy schedule. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/18/14, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Sorry to say Avinash, >>>>>>>> Then how are you going to find money for conducting such events >>>>>>>> by such non institutional agencies? For the universities and >>>>>>>> other corparates, they have their own funds for these purposes, >>>>>>>> but for conducting a convention of the mailing groups such as >>>>>>>> access india, which is done by voluntary agencies, it will be >>>>>>>> difficult to find the funding without a registration fee. >>>>>>>> Otherwise, they will have to beg to the sponsering agencies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Renuka. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/18/14, avinash shahi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Those who are saying they have paid from 500 to 10,000 to >>>>>>>>> attend confrences doesn't really drive the idea that one >>>>>>>>> should pay and attend. And more you pay better the confrence. >>>>>>>>> no guarantee. Just one example quality academicians including >>>>>>>>> Nome Chomsky and Michael Sandle have refused to write for >>>>>>>>> Journals which charge readers exorbitant amount. Knowledge >>>>>>>>> Dissimination on Internet for free is picking momentum and >>>>>>>>> being in one of the poorest countries, we should support such >>>>>>>>> movements. Cambridge and Oxford Universities have already >>>>>>>>> started circulating their lectures for free >>> on Youtube. >>>>>>>>> And HereI should inform you sir. In Jawaharlal Nehru >>>>>>>>> University Which is buzz with talks and seminars, No student >>>>>>>>> ever pays for attending any confrence and outsiders are >>>>>>>>> equally invited. State is bound to release financial outlay to >>>>>>>>> be invested for confrences/seminars/conventions. >>>>>>>>> I will be a faculty in one or the other universities for sure. >>>>>>>>> But state will take care of my needs but economically modest >>>>>>>>> Students will not be burdened to pay. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And Harish Sir Sorry to read from you block quote We must rise >>>>>>>>> above the begging bowl mindset block quote end Please you >>>>>>>>> being the moderator of a reputed mailing list such written >>>>>>>>> expression is unwarranted. >>>>>>>>> Who beggs is very subjective notion, those who demand rights >>>>>>>>> from the state? or those who find money from corporates which >>>>>>>>> covertly drive where it is to be invested. >>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/14, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear Avinash >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I really need to respond to you. >>>>>>>>>> 1 When a fee is set, it is clear it is not free lunch and you >>>>>>>>>> need to pay. >>>>>>>>>> Sneeking in clandestinely is not acceptable. >>>>>>>>>> 2 On the request of members we cut the registration by 50% to >>>>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>>> Thereafter no one complained about the cost. >>>>>>>>>> 3 We kept the window open for those who could not afford this >>>>>>>>>> amount as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding your arguement, >>>>>>>>>> " nobody charges penny for atending any confrences. It is >>>>>>>>>> against the ethics of knowledge disssimination." >>>>>>>>>> I am apauled to see the word "ethics" being used in this context. >>>>>>>>>> With >>>>>>>>>> respect to the remaining words "knowledge discimination" so >>>>>>>>>> all those who provide knowledge including centres of >>>>>>>>>> knowledge should do so free and the teachers should not >>>>>>>>>> charge anything for this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would look forward for you to do so in the comming days. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Coming to the point. >>>>>>>>>> 1 We must rise above the begging bowl mindset. >>>>>>>>>> 2 We must pay for services for which you are expected to pay. >>>>>>>>>> 3 Until and unless there is a revenue model, we can't expect >>>>>>>>>> any service of quality to come to us. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Besides this there were other issues I would like to highlight. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1 There were about 140 who registered online. Some sent >>>>>>>>>> advanced information, they were unable to come. However, >>>>>>>>>> there was a good number who did not bother to inform. Food >>>>>>>>>> and other logistic arrangements were made for them. This has >>>>>>>>>> all got waste. There is a cost to all that and more >>>>>>>>>> importantly an moral obligation to inform before hand.There >>>>>>>>>> were others who showed only on the first day and again they >>>>>>>>>> did not inform they were not comming the second day. >>>>>>>>>> 2 Delegates were chit chatting causing disturvance and >>>>>>>>>> disrespect to the speakers. It was very upsetting when the >>>>>>>>>> speaker had to bluntly demand silence. Friends, do we deserve >>>>>>>>>> such reprimand? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The bottom line of all this is our insensitivity and lack of >>>>>>>>>> our sense of being responsible citizen. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If we don't correct ourselves, we will have to pay a huge >>>>>>>>>> price for this. >>>>>>>>>> Already we have an adverse mindset and this will only go to >>>>>>>>>> strengthen them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is not a finger pointing exercise it is for us to >>>>>>>>>> reflect and to correct our course. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Harish Kotian. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>> Vikas Kapoor >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 17 February 2014 23:13 >>>>>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>>>>>>>> issuesconcerning the disabled. >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] AccessIndia convention >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On the contrary, I've attended several conferences which >>>>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>>>> Rs.500 >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> Rs.1000 as registration fee. Everything doesn't work on >>>>>>>>>> sponsorship. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> think that this list did anything wrong to make it a huge >>>>>>>>>> success! >>>>>>>>>> Whether >>>>>>>>>> somebody has the ability to pay for it or not is entirely a >>>>>>>>>> different matter altogether. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "avinash shahi" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>>>>>>>> issues concerningthe disabled." >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 10:59 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] AccessIndia convention >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've attended countless confrences and seminars of utmost >>>>>>>>>> repute but nobody charges penny for atending any confrences. >>>>>>>>>> It is against the ethics of knowledge disssimination. >>>>>>>>>> But what you wrote >>>>>>>>>> Block quote >>>>>>>>>> I had also put in the list, we had an offer from our >>>>>>>>>> delagate, that he would sponsor the registration cost in case >>>>>>>>>> someone was so inclined but did not have the funds for it. No >>>>>>>>>> one approached for this offer. >>>>>>>>>> Then, why this indulgence? >>>>>>>>>> block quote end >>>>>>>>>> Please understand nobody wants someone should sponser >>>>>>>>>> somebody's attendance in any paid convention anywhere in the >>>>>>>>>> world. I heard many reputed intellectuals and individuals >>>>>>>>>> attended talks and exhibitions but didn't touch food in fact tea. >>>>>>>>>> So such allegation is unwarranted. Please if we really wish >>>>>>>>>> to dissiminate knowledge and quality information to those who >>>>>>>>>> truly cherish such conventions , let us rise much ahead from >>>>>>>>>> such restrictive restrictions. >>>>>>>>>> If we can find sponsers for minny events there is not >>>>>>>>>> difficulty in arranging money for those who wish to excell in >>>>>>>>>> life despite undescribable miseries. But such arrangements >>>>>>>>>> have to be made without letting people know who did such wonders. >>>>>>>>>> arranging money is not a big deal at all we are capable to >>>>>>>>>> find contributers from all hues. >>>>>>>>>> I just responded because didn't find this allegation >>>>>>>>>> acceptable publicklly for those who don't have mere money. >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/17/14, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This time the mail is not regarding convention update <smile>. >>>>>>>>>>> Back home after this event. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Glad all the speakers graced their sessions and it was heart >>>>>>>>>>> warming to see the delegates participating enthusiastically >>>>>>>>>>> in and out of the audotorium. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> guess the purpose of this convention got largely achieved. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I must thank George and the score foundation who took >>>>>>>>>>> meticulous care to make the stay comfortable and to put the >>>>>>>>>>> logistics in place. I do express my satisfaction with the >>>>>>>>>>> presentation and the rich hue of topics which got touched in >>>>>>>>>>> these two days. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I saw a lot of bonding and strengthen friendships in these >>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>> 2 days. >>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>> is really my yardstick to look at the convention. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What made me very upset that, I was told, some persons had >>>>>>>>>>> not paid up for the convention and sneaked in to the various >>>>>>>>>>> events. This is not right at all. I take it on myself, that, >>>>>>>>>>> we haven't been able to raise above such trifle slips. Such >>>>>>>>>>> folks are a blot to the community. What they don't realise >>>>>>>>>>> that, these things also come into notice and gives reason to >>>>>>>>>>> think ill about us. 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