Thank you Rahul, for making the points so patiently, that I wanted to make, but didn't have the patience to make. Anyways, getting to the topic... Ok, I respect your (personal) experience. Experiences will vary from educational institution to educational institution, such as yours varies from mine. In my case, science (and social studies) is considered a subject only for exam's sake, and nothing else. In terms of geometry (and maths) learning, XRCVC has recently (several months ago) started the Maths & Science Access initiative, which is probably the first project of its kind in India. I am one of the students whom which they are testing, so, maths access must have been less advanced at your time, is improving in the present, and will have evolved greatly in the near future.
On 11/2/14, Rahul Bajaj <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I would just like to make five quick points. First, I am very saddened, but > not at all surprised, to see some people bringing Bhavya's age or his > background into the discussion instead of giving clear and cogent responses > to the valid concerns that he is raising. This is, in fact, one of the > reasons why I have largely remained out of the visually impaired community > in India because whenever people say something which is inconsistent or > incompatible with the views that blind people in positions of authority or > influence hold, they are automatically told that they are too young to > comment on these issues or that they are more fortunate than most blind > people because they have rich or educated parents. While I have always > tolerated these fallacious, uncalled for and deeply disrespectful remarks as > a mark of respect for elders, I deem it my duty to strongly condemn these > remarks when they are being made against such a young and promising boy who, > to my mind, is more rational, objective and well informed than most of us > whose only claim to fame is their age. Second, it is critical to appreciate > the nuances of each argument as opposed to viewing it as an us versus them > debate. Third, Bhavya, to respond to your message, while it is true that > most people engage in rote learning because they dislike certain subjects, > the point that I am making is that most blind children, even in mainstream > schools, don't even get an opportunity to engage more deeply with these > subjects. So, while most people have the choice to adopt other methods to > broaden and deepen their understanding of various subjects, blind student's > don't even get that chance because of the indifference of their teachers. > Fourth, I studied these subjects just five to seven years ago, so we did > have most of the technology that you are using so admirably, but most of my > teachers simply did not try to figure out more innovative techniques for > grappling with the intricacies of these subjects. Finally, neither of these > options is a panacea; the success or failure of every experience boils down > to the particular school, student and faculty members. In my view, there > can be no greater failure of an educational system than its inability to > produce people who can respect the views of others without bringing their > wealth, sex, lineage or age into the discussion. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Bhavya shah <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 11/2/14, sanjay <[email protected]> wrote: >>> When I joined school i.e In early 80's this concept of mainstream >>> education >>> >>> was alien to me. >> I too am trying to imagine the condition in those days :) >> I know lot of progress has been made in these thre >>> decades. I already mentioned the pathetic conditions of our school days >>> and >>> >>> you are questioning me. AS you are too young, perhaps you know nothing >>> about the educational facilities which we had in those days. >> I am asking, out of curiosity, convince me if you wish to. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bhavya shah" <[email protected]> >>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerningthe disabled." <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:26 PM >>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special >>> School. >>> >>> >>>>> On 11/1/14, sanjay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> First of all, I don't believe that blind people who study in >>>>> integrated >>>>> schools will possess extraordinary skils of mingling with sighted >>>>> folks. >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> >>>>> am also a product of special school. Forget about other books, we were >>>>> not >>>>> even provided sylabus books properly. We were introduced to English >>>>> alphabets in 5th Std. Blaming my Kannada medium school for not >>>>> teaching >>>>> English is unfair on my part. This was the situation in 1980's. In >>>>> my >>>>> neighbourhood, I had many sighted friends and I was even atending a >>>>> tuition >>>>> >>>>> classss with my sighted peers during weekends. >>>> Yes, so instead of simply attending mainstream tuitions, why not >>>> completely attend a mainstream school? >>>>> AT certain point of time we have to quit our native place for >>>>> job/training >>>>> purposes. When you go to new place, whether you are a sighted or >>>>> blind >>>>> we >>>>> all have to face initial ods. >>>>> I have seen many blind folks who have no business with any sighted >>>>> person >>>>> >>>>> but are living happily without mourning for sighted person(s) >>>>> assistance/friendship. >>>> Can a blind person be equally productive without knowing sighted >>>> people in comparison to when they know and have lots of experience >>>> with sighted people? >>>> Perhaps, it is their 100% interdependent nature >>>>> which gave them this level of joy and confidence. I said >>>>> interdependent >>>>> nature because 100% independence is a myth. >>>> It is because of such people, >>>>> >>>>> many inventions and innovations of products have been taking place >>>>> relentlessly. >>>> I would say that exactly the opposite kind of people would be >>>> responsible for inventions and innovations. Anyways, could you give >>>> some real life examples to prove this statement of yours? >>>>> >>>>> Today's relations are based on common interest and reciprocity. >>>>> Whether >>>>> you are sighted or blind, as long as you have something to offer or >>>>> share, >>>>> you can always have good friends and relatives. As we mature from >>>>> childhood >>>>> >>>>> to adulthood, the dynamics of relations too change. >>>>> I have also seen blind people who could not have been educated well >>>>> without >>>>> >>>>> special schools. >>>> If special schools become extinct, then blind children will have to >>>> compulsorily attend mainstream schools, and then they will be able to >>>> make an informed decision, whether mainstream schooling is better, or >>>> special schooling. >>>>> I do support the view that primary education should be given in >>>>> special >>>>> schools. Then let the children and parents decide what suits them >>>>> best. >>>> Ok, for the present scenario yes, but if situations improve, for all >>>> blind children all across the country, regardless of their location or >>>> gender, mainstream schooling would be more suitable. >>>>> Please don't go by the myth that integrated schools are the only way >>>>> to >>>>> mainstream disabled people in the normal society. Such concepts hold >>>>> little >>>>> >>>>> value in highly individualised societies of today; and, this is the >>>>> false >>>>> >>>>> propaganda by some vested interests. >>>> Ok, mainstream schooling is not the 'only' way to mainstream people, >>>> but, it is a much more efficient way of mainstreaming people in the >>>> society. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>>> issuesconcerning >>>>> thedisabled." <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 8:46 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am not against inclusive education for those who can manage it, >>>>>> particularly with the support of parents. The old integrated >>>>>> education >>>>>> programme was the best choice perhaps. I want that the special >>>>>> schools >>>>>> should be developed with good teachers and resources. In West Bengal >>>>>> special schools are under the ministry of mass education whose >>>>>> primary >>>>>> responsibility is to promote mass literacy. The teachers are paid >>>>>> less >>>>>> than >>>>>> >>>>>> the teachers at normal schools. The most pathetic situation is that >>>>>> the >>>>>> special educators are paid hardly Rs. 8,000 or something like that >>>>>> when >>>>>> they have to bear greater responsibility than regular teachers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Parents want to send their children to normal schools because they >>>>>> gain >>>>>> financially from it for the incentive. They refuse to talk to the >>>>>> representatives of the special schools because of this incentive. >>>>>> Organisations should take up the issue as they did for the copyright >>>>>> act >>>>>> or the rpd bill. >>>>>> >>>>>> With best regards, >>>>>> Amiyo Biswas >>>>>> Cell: +91-9433464329 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Vidhya Y" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>> concerningthe disabled." <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 2:24 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I still believe that for primary level atleast till 5th grade, >>>>>>> Special >>>>>>> school helps for all >>>>>>> Blind children. >>>>>>> I would like to share why I think so, >>>>>>> till 7th grade I studied in a blind school (in a hostel). >>>>>>> it was very difficult for my parents to leave me their but that was >>>>>>> the only alternative. >>>>>>> I know that the quality of education is not good at the blind >>>>>>> schools >>>>>>> because I had to learn all concepts like algebra and geometry and >>>>>>> also many concepts in science in the integrated school for my 8th >>>>>>> grade from scratch(as my friends had already learnt it before 7th >>>>>>> grade) >>>>>>> and they had not taught these concepts in blind school. >>>>>>> for a year or so it was very difficult and later I managed it very >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> I used to stay in a village and there are no good schools near buy. >>>>>>> my parents have given me all the facilities but english is not what >>>>>>> they have studied so converting books would not be possible at any >>>>>>> cost. >>>>>>> as a girl, there is a question of sending me to any institute to >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> training in computer math etc on my own and the people from the >>>>>>> institute would not come because I stay too far from city. >>>>>>> and these institutes are so far from the village. >>>>>>> in the village where all students in general are not getting proper >>>>>>> education in computer, english, what about the blind children >>>>>>> especially at the primary level? >>>>>>> I studied in integrated school from 8th grade because I could manage >>>>>>> on my own at that level with a little help. >>>>>>> but how could I do that from primary level? >>>>>>> I have very supportive family and tutors so I have managed to study >>>>>>> math and programming even in the degree level and now I am working >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> research assistant (thinking of doing PHD in computer science ). >>>>>>> and there are other blind children especially girls who are not >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> cared by their families(I am telling this because I know many of >>>>>>> them), >>>>>>> same flexibility in mingling with other children and also in >>>>>>> mobility >>>>>>> cannot be expected like boys for girls as all of you know that no >>>>>>> place is safe. >>>>>>> and if their are no special schools too, how to educate blind girls >>>>>>> when female education in general is too bad in our country? >>>>>>> atleast through special schools people will learn few basic >>>>>>> educational skills and survival skills right? >>>>>>> or else how to promote literacy among all blind girls? >>>>>>> this is my personal opineon, >>>>>>> I know that there are many exceptional cases with well educational >>>>>>> and financially stable parents who can take care of blind children. >>>>>>> so please don't take this opinion too seriously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Parakh Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> the real essence of inclusive education is integration of >>>>>>>> differently >>>>>>>> abled >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to main stream where the notions and hesitance of the sited or >>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>> society is reduced to a level where inclusion of these children >>>>>>>> becomes >>>>>>>> smoother. and moreover the feeling of isolation amongst the >>>>>>>> differently >>>>>>>> abled population may fade away during the course of time which in >>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>> increases their confidence level. coming to resources and >>>>>>>> facilities >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> rural areas or lesser priviliged society the issues are real >>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> country like ours. here stronger, pragmatic laws and stiff >>>>>>>> accountability >>>>>>>> may help in long term perspective. >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> rajesh parakh >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Bhavya shah" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>>>> concerningthe disabled." <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:51 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> 'great bhavya, in todays context the need is to use technology in >>>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>>> possible ways. further there is a need to create strong laws for >>>>>>>>> normal schools that they do not refuse any differently abled child >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> admission and provide atleast minimum standard of technology for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> children to achieve education. i think strong rules will surely >>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>> children from rural areas also.' >>>>>>>>> I think there is a law that mainstream schools cannot refuse to >>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>> admission to a visually impaired child, I might be wrong here. >>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>> wasn't in my case, because I have been studying in my school from >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> I was completely sighted to now, where I am completely blind. >>>>>>>>> In a poor country as India, perhaps the school may not give >>>>>>>>> technological solutions to the children, but certainly, they >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> allow the use of laptops and other such solutions. I am not sure >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> rural areas, I have seen that some NGOs with lots and lots of >>>>>>>>> teachers, have failed to spread awareness, and sadly parents of >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> blind children aske me whether I am able to use a computer or not, >>>>>>>>> whether I will drop maths or not, because in those NGOs (I won't >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> their names) only and only Braille is taught, and just nothing >>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>> If NGOs themselves become more aware, then perhaps we can talk >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the adoption of inclusive education in rural areas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Ketan Kothari <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhavya, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am a student from a "special school". I have also been a >>>>>>>>>> student >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> a regular "not normal" school but I personally feel that >>>>>>>>>> education >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> important to begin with and then the philosophical debate of >>>>>>>>>> "special" >>>>>>>>>> versus "inclusive" for both have their advantages and >>>>>>>>>> disadvantages. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In a case as yours, at least you have parents who have computer >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> home. How many blind people or their parents in the country have >>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>> What about regional languages? And yes, the biggest asset that >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> have is your mother who is painstakingly doing the conversion >>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not advocating special school but I am of the opinion that a >>>>>>>>>> child must be educated in the best scenario that helps him. I >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> been to the villages where both parents have to go to NREGS work >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the child goes to a regular school with little or no attention. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> certainly hampers his education and the learning outcomes will >>>>>>>>>> definitely suffer. In the best available circumstances, children >>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>> be in an inclusive environment but e-text can never replace >>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>> till we have mobile sets that are easily accessible, fast to >>>>>>>>>> operate >>>>>>>>>> and can maintain privacy (which present sets do not allow I am >>>>>>>>>> afraid), and yes, Braille is not a language but a script. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Having said all this, I really admire your courage and wisdom at >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> age and for this I would certainly salute your parents. Their >>>>>>>>>> perseverance is what led you where you are. I am sure you will >>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>> miles in the future. Wish you best of luck, lad and may you >>>>>>>>>> climb >>>>>>>>>> heights unthinkable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ketan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Amiyo Biswas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Recently I met some of my teacher friends at a meeting of Blind >>>>>>>>>>> Persons' >>>>>>>>>>> Association. We were sharing our experiences in our respective >>>>>>>>>>> fields. >>>>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>>>> were all surprised to learn that special schools are not getting >>>>>>>>>>> students >>>>>>>>>>> after inclusive education was introduced. There are hardly a >>>>>>>>>>> handful >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> special schools for us. If these schools with a very low roll >>>>>>>>>>> strength >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> not get sufficient students, what will be the lot of the next >>>>>>>>>>> generation >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired students? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Inclusive Education programme is in effect for some years. We >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> review >>>>>>>>>>> the situation now. As a project it sounds very good. Disabled >>>>>>>>>>> children >>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>> at normal schools and ideally it helps mainstreaming them into >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> society. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A cursory glance at a classroom will reveal the real situation. >>>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>>> West >>>>>>>>>>> Bengal, where I live in, the normal student-teacher ratio is >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> 1-100 >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> many cases. It is even worse at the primary schools. Moreover, >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> primary >>>>>>>>>>> school teachers have to perform various duties during census and >>>>>>>>>>> election. >>>>>>>>>>> Besides, they have their daily chore of midday meal. Many of >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> schools >>>>>>>>>>> do not have the necessary infrastructure for children with >>>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>>>> Accessible toilets are dreams when the normal children do not >>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> facilities in some cases. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are Special Educators who are supposed to assist the >>>>>>>>>>> children >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> special needs. A Special Educator has to cover about 30 schools >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> month. >>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible for him or her to guide a disabled child by >>>>>>>>>>> meeting >>>>>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>> in a month? We cannot expect him that he will be efficient in >>>>>>>>>>> Braille, >>>>>>>>>>> sign >>>>>>>>>>> language and so on. They are paid very low (hardly Rs. 8,000 per >>>>>>>>>>> month) >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> appointed on a contract basis. They tend to quit their jobs >>>>>>>>>>> whenever >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> is an opportunity. Why should well-educated young people stick >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> job >>>>>>>>>>> for so humble a salary? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I shall not say that nothing good has come of it. Many disabled >>>>>>>>>>> children >>>>>>>>>>> have been enrolled into normal schools or Sarba Shiksha Abhijan. >>>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>>>> schools there is no pass or fail. So visually challenged >>>>>>>>>>> children >>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> automatic promotion up to class VIII without ever learning >>>>>>>>>>> Braille. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> heard of a mentally retarded child who goes to the exam and his >>>>>>>>>>> invigilator >>>>>>>>>>> writes his name, roll etc. on his answer paper and he gets >>>>>>>>>>> promoted. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is yet another benefit. Parents of the disabled children >>>>>>>>>>> gain >>>>>>>>>>> financially from the scheme, around Rs. 4,500. The Special >>>>>>>>>>> Educators >>>>>>>>>>> earn >>>>>>>>>>> their living, whatever it is, from this scheme. But this is all >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> cost >>>>>>>>>>> of education. When children with special needs require special >>>>>>>>>>> training, >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> are thrusting them into an atmosphere where they feel lonely and >>>>>>>>>>> isolated. >>>>>>>>>>> They memorise some rhymes and stories, but they seldom learn >>>>>>>>>>> arithmetic. >>>>>>>>>>> As >>>>>>>>>>> a result they grow up with an inferiority complex. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A severe consequence of the scheme is that since the parents >>>>>>>>>>> earn >>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>> from this scheme, they do not send their children to special >>>>>>>>>>> schools. >>>>>>>>>>> Most >>>>>>>>>>> of the special schools cannot enrol their full strength. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do not want to give up with Inclusive Education immediately. >>>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> the following to make it more effective: >>>>>>>>>>> 1. There should be some financial incentive for the parents who >>>>>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> children to special schools >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The block-level social welfare officer should try to find a >>>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>>>> school for a child with special needs and when no such facility >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> available, only then the child should be enrolled in Inclusive >>>>>>>>>>> Education. >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Special Educators should be paid in line with the regular >>>>>>>>>>> teachers >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> all facilities. >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Braille books, Braille writing frames, Taylor frames and >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> similar >>>>>>>>>>> items used by children with special needs should be available at >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> block >>>>>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I shall request all senior members to do something about it. We >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> write >>>>>>>>>>> to the ministers of Social Justice and Empowerment, Education >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> PM >>>>>>>>>>> also. Activists like Mr. Kaul, Mr. Rumta or Dipendra should take >>>>>>>>>>> initiative >>>>>>>>>>> with our full support for any action. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With best Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Amiyo Biswas >>>>>>>>>>> Cell: +91-9433464329 >>>>>>>>>>> Clean India Campaign: Let us also chip in! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>>>>>>> 1. 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