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Topics of the day:
1. Getting just one part of a file
2. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
3. football theme song ?
4. Agora in a loop?
5. faq's
6. opinion about point-and-click computers
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:00:57 -0600
From: "Ariel O. Famadas Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Getting just one part of a file
I'm trying to get a file that have 25MB and becouse i'm don't have a very
good service of email, i'm got to get it in 100Kb pieces and never recieve
all the pieces. Here is some question that answer may help me:
1- Thas [EMAIL PROTECTED] only works in his mirrored sites ?
2- -If i'm using ftp or gopher to get a big file, how can i get a specific
lost piece of the file?
3- There is another way to get a big file in pieces, and later get a
specific lost part of the file.
I hope you understand what i'm trying to do
Thank you for your time
Fams
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:01:38 +0100
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Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:20:48 +0800
From: lywei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: football theme song ?
does anyone know where can i download theme song of any football club ,
especially Chelsea and Liverpool ?
thanks
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:04:49 +0200
From: Volodya Aleshnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Agora in a loop?
I got response from [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is fine.
I am getting since then exactly the same messages every
3 or 4 hours, which is not.
Any ideas as to how to get out of this situation?
Thanks
Volodya
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:07:43 +0100
From: "B. Bougie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: faq's
> The primary reason for fewer than usual number of answers here is likely
> burn-out: most posters are getting tired of re-re-re answering questions
> that are fully covered in the FAQ lists.
It still surprises me that Gerald seems to have an unlimited amount of
energy... he keeps answering those faq's ...
Maybe for some people that is too convenient...why bother reading the FAQ when
some-one (G.E.B) gives an answer on the list..... in my opinion some ppl are
quite rude..sending msgs like:
"where to find a driver for ..."
I know not all ppl have english as their native language ... (it's not mine as
well) But I have seen ppl on this list who are not english-speaking, but they
are able posting polite mesages! So it's not a matter of english I think!
Anyway...I think a short question deserves a short answer:
RTFM!!!
regards,
Bruno
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:07:43 +0100
From: "B. Bougie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: opinion about point-and-click computers
Hi All,
I read the discussion that has been going on the last couple of
days...interesting! So I decided posting my opinion as well..it got longer than
I thought it would be..well, maybe someone out there thinks it's interesting :)
I sense a kinda disappointment when I read Gerald's articles about
"point-n-click" behaviour. I would like to give my opinion about that. When I
got in touch with the internet in '93, I thought it was very interesting and
after I while I started hunting for more background info. I was a student in
university then and I had a lot of chats with our sysadmin, I wanted to find
out how it worked, what routers are what DNS-servers are etc etc... I found
RFC's on the net and little by little I got some more knowledge about the
internet. Atually it was kinda the same as when I bought this book about the
BIOS...that made me start programming proggies to read out usually "hidden"
information in the system.
Once you know a little more about computers...people will ask you to solve the
problems they have.. "it doesn't work!!".. So what you do is help them...once
the problem is solved..I often make the mistake starting to explain the ppl
what went wrong...they don't care a second...so after 5 minutes they'll ask:
"oh...but now it works again?"
On the one hand I do understand why ppl aren't interested in how it works, but
just want it to work. It's like with a car...why should I be interested in how
it works when I am driving one? Or when I phone...why would i be interested in
the connecting-centres of the ph-company or sattelite communications when I
phone a friend. Or when I listen to music... why the heck would it be
interesting that Adolphe Sax invented the Saxophone in Belgium?
On the other hand, I sometimes think it would be good when ppl would know more
about computers in general.... I can solve a lot of (minor) problems on pc's,
not because I know it all, but because I know a little about how it works in
general and so I can find out where the problem is. It's like with Windows...
if someone asks you how to do something in a certain application...you probably
won't know how to...but you will be able to find out how to!
So when ppl would know more about computers, they would be able to solve more
problems... but they are simply not interested.
That brings me to a second thought...why aren't ppl interested... I don't want
to generalise...but what I can say is that I met quite some people who simply
thought "computerstuff is complicated and so I don't understand it-period" It
reminds me of teaching mathematics, a lot of people think mathematics is
difficult by definition...so there is no use whatsoever spending time on it.
(errr... math can be difficult..I can tell!). Now this leads me to another
thing... it seems to me, sometimes, that people are afraid of computers and
networks.... it's all so big.. they don't understand and it seems they have
George Orwell kinda idea's about networks (Big Brother is watching you!!)
Now that might be a bit exagerated...but it seems that a lot of people
experience the computer still as a magic-black box. There are a lot of things
you hear ppl say about computers that are good examples of that:
-someone sees that a friend has a spellingchecker on his editor and asks:
"can my computer do that as well?" (hasn't a clue that it depends on
the software)
-some-one just has an account with some ISP:
"I have email, can I also go on the internet?" (meaning WWW)
I think that if ppl would hear more about computers and learn more about how it
works, they would experience more as how they experience a car, a very useful
device.
Something I never liked about M$ Windows is that you don't have an overvieuw
what is going on...you install a programme...the icons pop up automatically on
the screen...click it and go ahead. No clue as to what files are added to the
system. Well, of course, that's what most of the people want to do, plug and
play. And of course...then the computer stays a magic box.
There is one good thing about this whole M$ circus... also ppl that normally
never would have the guts to even touch a computer... are behind the screen
now! after all, it's a bit easier to to double-click an icon of a sheet of
paer than to type something line MORE < C:\TXTFILES\readme.txt
The careful reader might have noticed that I here come to a point where my
ideas are a bit contradictionary. On the one hand I say that ppl should know
more about the techniques, so that the computer is not a magic-box... on the
other hand I say that making it a black-box (like windows) makes ppl less
afraid of it.
I have thought about these things many times...I think the "mistake" I make,
and maybe also other ppl who are, like me , interested in the more technical
side of it all, is that I take my interests as startingpoint. In other words,
If only ppl would be interested in pc's like me, then they'll learn anough
about it. The "problem" is that ppl don't think like me (damn ;-) so why
bothering them with the technical sides of it all? And besides that, a
physician might start laughing loudly when he sees me reading things like RFC's
and reading about programming langues...as if I would understand computers
then...of course not, what about electrons and protones and stuff..that's what
makes the computer going!
>From the discussion on the list, I understand that some people are afraid that
there aren't any people left that are interested in the more technical side and
how it became what it is now. I think in the old days of the net (I wasn't
there), you had to know a lot about it in order to operate it. AS I undertood,
in the *real* old days you had to give the route of an email-msg!!!! But it is
only recently that so many comercial organisations are on the internet. As I
recall it well, the WWW was very different in 93 then it is now (at our
department we were still working with Mosaic and Lynx then, but that is not
what I mean of course). Well, most big sites connected in the old days were
universities, (cs-departmens), so all those ppl busy on the net were kinda
interested anyway. I think that nowadays more and more ppl are on the net who
don't mind a damn as to how it works....but just want to chat, or download cool
stuff!
I think that gerald is right, relatively there are fewer people on the net who
are interested in how it works.... but their absolute number must have gotten
bigger. Maybe they found other ways to gain info from...maybe more books are
published with good info, that were not published 10 years ago.
Well, the example was given of a classroom and students not interested in good
code at all..... maybe some years back you might only get the real wizzkids in
a computer-course.. but nowadays ppl learned to drag-and-drop in Windows and
are not afraid starting with a course like that, cause the "know" how to work
with computers. I just know how to programme in TPascal, but it wouldn't
surprise me if programming will become a lot easier... I can think of a
ornigram where you just drag and drop objects in...click start and there it
goes. Maybe some ppl might think that is not real programming...neither is
Pascal, C++ then.... back to ASM? ...or further back?
I wonder what ICT will look like in a few years... I think it will be more
integrated in our lifes... a modem???? HAHAHAHA grandpa, did you really have
to DIAL IN???? hilarious!!!!! Like electricity and water, it comes with the
house automatically.... And when it becomes an integrated part of everyday
life, ppl won't wonder how it works..it's just there, and what would be bad
about that? (I step in a plane without wondering about the systems of
differentail equations, partial or not, tha had to be solved or approximated in
order to optimise the wings!)
One positive things about that.... ther have to be people that are good in
it...there have to be people that can develope it all...so there will have to
be people that are interested in it!
And to Gerald...remember that you are doing this ACCMAIL as a volunteer...so if
you wonder why you would carry on with it... why not drop it and go some place
where people are more interested! I think you are doing a great job...and for
me, I wouldn't have the energy to do that!!! Great job!
regards,
Bruno
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