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1. Fright4U (2)
2. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
3. *.pmi, *.pmm file formats conversion (5)
4. X.400 (2)
5. Pegasus mail (was: Re: [ACCMAIL] *.pmi, *.pmm file formats ...)
6. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7. How to figure out real file name? (2)
8. NEWS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9. www4mail and cookies
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:37:54 +0300
From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fright4U
> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:35:13 +0100
> From: Melanie Halmarack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I recently requested the newest versions of the 4U files from an agora
> server.
> The Email4U file arrived in a strange state. I was truncated and had a
> suspicious looking file attachment called "open elf.stuba.sk". It looks very
> much to me like a virus file, though I may just be paranoid. Anyway I have
> it cornered until the exorcist arrives.
> I tried getting the file from several of the listed sources, but they were
> all in the same condition. Damned elves!
ok the line of the document that causes the problem is a line which begins
with the word "begin". this cause your software to assume that here comes
a uuencoded attachment, while it is only a line which begins with this
word.
Try to save as is, and it is not an attachment, just a word that confuses
your software.
Uzi
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 06:01:48 +0100
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:57:56 +0300
From: Alexandre Sotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: *.pmi, *.pmm file formats conversion
Hi...
Gerry, is there a tool to convert Pegasus Mail folder file
(*.pmi, *.pmm) to a piece of readable text? Where can i find one?
TIA,
a.
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Alexandre Sotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CAEC/TEE SEAN
Fri, 14 May 99 15:50 +0300 MSK
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:40:32 -0500
From: "Gary R. Welles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X.400
At 02:55 PM 5/12/99 -0700, Gerald E. Boyd wrote the following:
> E-mail programs may not handle the slash correctly. I know that Unix
> mail programs work properly because they resolve X.400 address, which
> contain plenty of slashes.
A few years ago, before the Internet "got large", I heard that institutions
were moving away from RFC822 e-mail to X.400. If they are, they are hiding
behind an Internet gateway.
Is there anyway to learn if say utexas.edu has an X.400 gateway I could use?
Gary
X.400: C=us; ADMD=mci; S=welles; G=gary; DDA=ID=1178863
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:13:45 +0300
From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fright4U
> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:37:54 +0300
> From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> ok the line of the document that causes the problem is a line which begins
> with the word "begin". this cause your software to assume that here comes
> a uuencoded attachment, while it is only a line which begins with this
> word.
>
> Try to save as is, and it is not an attachment, just a word that confuses
> your software.
Two general ways to overcome this program's confusion:
a) to get the file in zip and uuencoded format. In this way the line will
not appear explicitly and will thus not confuse your e-mail program.
e.g. you may get the full 4u series in z zip format via:
http://www.wireworm.com/4useries/4useries.zip
I guess although am not sure, that Binky allows you to get the file in a
zipped and uuencoded version.
The second option, that should work, is to save the file into a dedicated
folder (a one that is dedicated only to this file) and then to open the
folder using a regular text editor (instead of using the e-mail program).
For best competability with whatever e-mail program you use, it is best to
save the file from the text editor into a different name and then to leave
the original folder untouched, to be handled (usually to be deleted) using
the e-mail program. The saved copy can then be handled using a regular
text editor, and it has the email4u file including the e-mail headers.
Uzi
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:30:05 +0300
From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.pmi, *.pmm file formats conversion
> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:57:56 +0300
> From: Alexandre Sotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Gerry, is there a tool to convert Pegasus Mail folder file
> (*.pmi, *.pmm) to a piece of readable text? Where can i find one?
I'm not Gerry, but I guess that I can also answer:
A program that will convert Pegasus style folders into Unix format can be
found on:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~stephenk/files/mailconv.zip
A Unix format is a readabler format.
(you can convert to a Netscape format which is compatible with
Unix format).
Pegasus (recent versions) also have the option to open a folder in
a Unix-like format, and after opening such a folder you can move the files
from your recent folder to the Unix-like one, and read it via a text
editor.
I note in passing that the Unix format of Pegasus is not really a Unix
format, although it is very similar to it. It is not 100% compatible with
Unix format.
Uzi
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:40:26 -0500
From: Mike Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.pmi, *.pmm file formats conversion
> From: Alexandre Sotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gerry, is there a tool to convert Pegasus Mail folder file
> (*.pmi, *.pmm) to a piece of readable text? Where can i find one?
http://mango.human.cornell.edu/kens/MoreFAQ.html#Pegasus
has some information about Pegasus file conversions.
Other links to explore branch from the Pegasus Mail U.S. Home Page,
http://www.pegasus.usa.com.
Another option is the Programmer's File Editor, freeware from
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/
I just loaded a .pmm file into it and it loaded just fine.
All a .pmm file is is a text file, perhaps using Unix text conventions (LF
instead of CR/LF) and if you're just looking to extract text, it shouldn't be
much trouble.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:59:21 +0300
From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pegasus mail (was: Re: [ACCMAIL] *.pmi, *.pmm file formats ...)
I find myself replying to my messages.
While we were talking about Pegasus mail I got a message telling me that
recently (May 1999) a new vwersion of Pegasus mail for Windows has been
released. As you know it is a freeware.
It is version 3.11
The announcement looked like: "A new version of Pegasus for Windows
(3.11)" and it took me time to understand that the (3.11) does not refer
to the version of Windows but rather to the version of Pegasus.
I heard that they fixed a few bugs that were on the previous version
(3.01d). The size is about 3Mb. See: http://www.pmail.com .
Uzi
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:09:13 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 10:15 PM 5/12/99 +0200, =?utf-7?Q?Ra+APo-l_Larsen?= wrote the
following:
>I've received this answer after request to www+AEA-kfs.com:
[...]
>Does it means that www+AEA-kfs.com is no more free?
Nope. It still works fine and is free. The result of your request was
due to a pop-up ad on the web page you retrieved.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:58:34 +0300
From: "Alexander F. Chernetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to figure out real file name?
Hi, ACCMAILers & Gerald E. Boyd!
I'm afraid to seem bored, but your answer did not satisfy me.
>The HREF you are referring to is called a relative reference. The
>reference is related to the location of the original web page.
...
I understand difference between relative reference & relative link.
And BASE HREF= command is familiar to me.
That's not the point.
Now I'll try to explain it by different way, using real site's names
& file's names.
When I don't know exactly file name that I want, but know server's
address I just send command TSOURCE HTTP://WWW.SOMEWHERE.NET
to www4mail server.
In reply I get attached file named HERE_NET.HTM
For example. TSOURCE HTTP://WWW.DEEP-PURPLE.COM returns to me
file RPLE_COM.HTM. Though I know exactly that _real_file_name
is WELCOME.HTM. That's the point.
Next. RPLE_COM.HTM (or WELCOME.HTM ?) contain reference
<A HREF="rosas/lyrics/">Lyrics/tabs</A>. Of course, I send
TSOURCE HTTP://WWW.DEEP-PURPLE.COM/ROSAS/LYRICS/
and receive file S_LYRICS.HTM. Though it's real name is different.
And now the same question: How can I figure out real file name?
During writting this letter arise another question (maybe more
interesting than previous:
How do mailserver (and not only it) know what file send to me
if file name isn't given?
You may ask legal question. What for it for me?
Answer. Just I want to build local mirrors of small pieces
some web-servers.
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With regards, Alexander.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:34:21 +0300
From: Alexandre Sotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.pmi, *.pmm file formats conversion
Thanks to all who helped with pmm conversion! Thanks to the listowner
as well!
a
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CAEC/TEE SEAN
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:06:35 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to figure out real file name?
At 05:58 PM 5/14/99 +0300, Alexander F. Chernetsky wrote the following:
[...]
>Now I'll try to explain it by different way, using real site's names
>& file's names.
>
>When I don't know exactly file name that I want, but know server's
>address I just send command TSOURCE HTTP://WWW.SOMEWHERE.NET
>to www4mail server.
>
>In reply I get attached file named HERE_NET.HTM
[...]
Got it now. Sorry about previous misunderstanding.
The wwwmail servers return an attachment in the old DOS 8.3 format.
That is, an 8 character filename followed by a 3 character extension.
Hence, long URL requests are truncated to a 8.3 format.
If you send for http://www.yahoo.com/ page you will get AH00_COM.HTM
if you send for http://www.infind.com/ page you will get FIND_COM.HTM
Notice have the period (.) in addresses are replaced by the underline
(_) and the format is in DOS 8.3
The true web page can always be found in the attachment by looking at
the line that contains the hidden name=XBASE value=BASE line.
For instance, the yahoo page above:
<INPUT TYPE = hidden name = XBASE value = BASE VALUE  "http:
//www.yahoo.com//headbodycenterformaction=http://search.yahoo.com/bin/se
[...]
omit everything after the headbody
Here is a yahoo attachment after searching for my old favorite term "spam"
The attachment name was H_P_SPAM.HTM
The XBASE line
<INPUT TYPE = hidden name = XBASE value = BASE HREF  "http:/
/search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=spam" >
Notice that www4mail took the last 8 characters and converted
"h?p=spam" to
H_P_SPAM and added the ".HTM" file extension.
Works like this everytime...
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:11:10 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X.400
At 08:40 AM 5/14/99 -0500, Gary R. Welles wrote the following:
>A few years ago, before the Internet "got large", I heard that
institutions
>were moving away from RFC822 e-mail to X.400. If they are, they are
hiding
>behind an Internet gateway.
The only place that X.400 seems to be used greatly, is in Europe. Not
much in the Americas, Asia, or Mid-East.
>Is there anyway to learn if say utexas.edu has an X.400 gateway I
could use?
Some stuff that may be of interest to X.400 questions in general...
Index to X.400 web pages
http://www.alvestrand.no/domen/x400/
X.400 FAQ (old 1997)
http://www.alvestrand.no/domen/x400/faq-mhsnews.html
The same person above has a mailing list:
MHSNEWS
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Purpose: Open to anyone who is interested in the ISO/CCITT
X.400 (MHS) message handling protocols, subject to some
restrictions. Discussion topics include such things as how
to understand and interpret the MHS recommendations, how to
map between other mail systems and mail network features and
the MHS structure etc. The list is gatewayed bidirectionally
with the USENET newsgroup comp.protocols.iso.x400; it is
therefore impossible to know how many people read the list.
http://www.alvestrand.no/x400/mhsnews.html
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SWITCH is operating a MIXER gateway to exchange electronic messages
between users of the Internet mail system and users of the X.400 MHS.
But only customers with a SWITCH contract can make use of this gateway.
http://www.switch.ch/mail/mixer.html
Your specific request...
I found out that Utexas handles X.400 via this document
directory and name services, i.e., X.500 and DNS
mail routing services, i.e., X.400 and SMTP
http://mojo.ots.utexas.edu/ns/mission.html
However, I can't seem to find an X.400 address to mail to.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:22:08 +0200
From: Marc Loehrwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.pmi, *.pmm file formats conversion
Hi Alexandre and Uzi,
> A program that will convert Pegasus style folders into Unix format can be
> found on:
>
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~stephenk/files/mailconv.zip
I used it y couple of times but it always hung up and didn't finish
the job.
If you only want to have your Mails in a readable format try a rickt-
click on the Message(s) in the Folder and chose "Save to File...".
This will save the Mails into one or more Files as plain ascii so you
can read them.
Marc
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Marc Loehrwald
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Fon: +49-172-430-3563
Fax: +49-441-800-66-5601
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:23:50 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NEWS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Accmailers,
For those health professionals interested in using
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just received a note from them that reads in part:
"Interested health professionals can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and we will send a copy of the policy statement and registration form."
So if you missed then one I posted to the list, here's a chance to get
your own.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:50:46 +0200
From: "Lena [Kiev.Ukraine]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: www4mail and cookies
Some web-servers (for example <http://www.onelist.com>) refuse to work
without cookies. Both getweb and www4mail ignore requests of web-servers
to store cookies and reply that there isn't a cookie.
Steve Song, the administrator on unganisha.idrc.ca (there was getweb
there sometime) replied to me about getweb:
> the code is no longer being maintained.
But as I understand, author of www4mail software is on this list.
I would like to ask to add to www4mail the feature: handling of cookies
in filtering mode. IMHO it's possible and not very difficult.
When web-server requests to store a cookie, www4mail should include an
<input type=hidden ...> tag with content of cookie into filtered
HTML source. When completed form is processed by www4mail: 1) if web-server
asks for cookie, www4mail should send content of appropriate cookie
taken from completed form; 2) if web-server didn't request to delete
a cookie, www4mail should include an <input type=hidden ...> tag with
content of the cookie taken from completed form into filtered HTML source.
This feature would in particular make possible for accmailers-only
to create and moderate mailing lists on ONElist.
Many thanks in advance!
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