There are 6 messages totalling 503 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. NEWS: Monthly Reminder 2. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics 3. submitting forms (2) 4. www via email (2) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACCMAIL Info (automatically generated) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To UNSUBscribe: Send UNSUBSCRIBE ACCMAIL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get the ACCMAIL FAQ: Send e-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:55:50 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NEWS: Monthly Reminder ===================== ACCMAIL Monthly Reminder ======================= Last Updated: 04Jul99 This message is intended to inform you what to do before posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the mailing list discussing "Accessing the Internet via E-mail". ============= P U R P O S E ============= This list exists as a forum for communicating news, comments and questions about the FAQ with the same name, written by Gerald E. Boyd This is the place to find out about new versions, ask questions about the current version, make suggestions for additions/deletions, etc. Note: ACCMAIL is a MODERATED list, which means that all postings will be sent to a human for review before being posted to the list. Read the FAQs that are available. =============================================================== G U I D E T O O F F L I N E I N T E R N E T A C C E S S =============================================================== "Accessing The Internet By E-Mail" from Gerald E. Boyd To get the latest edition, send e-mail to one of the addresses below. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for US, Canada & South America) Enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for Europe, Asia, etc.) Enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send lis-iis e-access-inet.txt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send accmail.faq You can also get the file by anonymous FTP at one of these sites: Site: rtfm.mit.edu get pub/usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email Site: ftp.mailbase.ac.uk get pub/lists/lis-iis/files/e-access-inet.txt This document is the standard document about accessing the internet via email. You shouldn't ask questions already covered in this document. ================= 4 U S E R I E S ================= "The 4u-series" from Bob Appleton - NO LONGER MAINTAINED These files show in specific detail how to use email to retrieve files, programs and documents from FTP and WWW sites, etc. In other words, how to get just about anything by email. The files are FREE and everything mentioned in them is also FREE. You can now get these files individually or together in zipped format as well as in text format. Substitute the file that you want in place of the XXX in the URL below and add a line for each additional file requested. Files available are: email4u.txt getit4u.txt fun4u.txt pix4u.txt email4u.zip getit4u.zip fun4u.zip pix4u.zip 4useries.zip They are available via an autoresponder. Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will tell you how to get each of the documents. They are the full text, not zipped, so Juno users won't be able to get the email4u file. =========== U S E N E T =========== To learn about Usenet, Usenet access and newsgroups, Uzi Paz provides a file that is invaluable. If you are unfamiliar with these topics, get this file before sending for other files mentioned in Bob Appleton's document. Send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of the message use ONE of the following: Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (text version) OR Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zipped and uuencoded) send http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1131/ua.txt send http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1131/ua.zip =================================== W W W S E A R C H E N G I N E S =================================== If your question has something to do with www-search engines like Altavista, Hotbot, etc, or in general fill-out-forms on WWW sites, be sure to read "Accessing the Internet via email - User guide to WWW search engines" by Gerald E. Boyd. This faq covers the access to all major search-engines, there is a document with an introduction (wsintro.faq) and also a document that shows how to "crack" such a form yourself (wscrack.faq). All the files are available as a zip file in wssearch.zip. Send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of the message use the following: send ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wsintro.faq send ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wscrack.faq send ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wssearch.zip ======================= J U N O A C C M A I L ======================= If you are a Juno mail user, then subscribe to the Juno_accmail mailing lists: For the digest version: TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BODY: subscribe juno_accmail-digest <your [EMAIL PROTECTED]> For the individual postings version: TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BODY: subscribe juno_accmail <your [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Replace <your [EMAIL PROTECTED]> with your real name and e-mail address There is also an autoresponder. Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will provide you with a list of documents that are available. ======================================== M O N T H L Y P O S T I N G S E T C. ======================================== Gary Wines has made available THE "EM_AI MANUAL" which is a FREEWARE collection of manuals for accessing the internet by email, presented in an executable file with search, print, save, edit to file features. Included in this DOS program are: Perry Rovers Anonymous FTP (FAQ) Biran Edmonds FAQ Mailing List Etiquette Gerald E. Boyd's Guide to Search Engines Gerald E. Boyd's Guide to Offline Internet Access Mailing List Etiquette by Brian Edmonds Pix4u, Email4u, Getit4u, Fun4U by Bob Appleton Also included are all kinds of other useful files... Current MS-DOS version ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/mailnews/em_ai40.zip Current Windows 3.x version ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win3/info/emaiw18.zip ========================= S U B J E C T L I N E S ========================= Mail should have a meaningful subject heading which reflects the content of the message -- it helps others to find messages of interest (and is necessary if you receive a lot of messages per day), and it helps to follow a thread on a particular topic. Non-meaningful subjects are: 1. empty or blank subjects 2. Subject: I need help 3. Subject: A question 4. Subject: Re: ACCMAIL Digest .... ================= O F F - T O P I C ================= Make sure your post isn't off-topic. In particular, this mailing list doesn't deal with topics like: - Do you want to make $$$. - I want to chat with someone. - Hi, I'm new to the list and I want to make friends. - General use of your computer -- instead ask a specific question like is there a FAQ available on modems? - Where do I get this or that software -- instead ask how to retrieve it via email. - Where do I find information on ??? -- instead ask how do I find information concerning ??? via email. - Windows 95 problems -- instead ask where do I find information regarding a problem (email address, mailing list, web page. etc.) =================== N E T I Q U E T T E =================== DON'T include the entire contents of a previous posting in your reply. DO cut mercilessly. Leave just enough to indicate what you're responding to. NEVER include mail headers except maybe the "From:" line. If you can't figure out how to delete lines in your mailer software, paraphrase or type the quoted material in. DON'T SEND A MESSAGE IN ALL CAPS. CAPITALIZED MESSAGES ARE HARDER TO READ THAN LOWER CASE OR MIXED CASE. DO use normal capitalization. Separate your paragraphs with blank lines. Make your message inviting to your potential readers. DON'T send messages with HTML coding or MIME extensions. DO learn how to change your E-mail program so that it sends only plain text ASCII to the list. Make things easy for the recipient. Many mailers strip header information which includes your return address. In order to ensure that people know who you are, be sure to include a line or two at the end of your message with contact information. You can create this file ahead of time and add it to the end of your messages. (Some mailers do this automatically.) In Internet parlance, this is known as a ".sig" or "signature" file. Your .sig file takes the place of your business card. (And you can have more than one to apply in different circumstances.) If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer than 4 lines. Remember that many people pay for connectivity by the minute, and the longer your message is, the more they pay. Remember that people with whom you communicate are located across the globe. If you send a message to which you want an immediate response, the person receiving it might be at home asleep when it arrives. Give them a chance to wake up, come to work, and login before assuming the mail didn't arrive or that they don't care. In general, most people who use the Internet don't have time to answer general questions about the Internet and its workings. Don't send unsoli cited mail asking for information to people whose names you might have seen on mailing lists (especially *MINE*) =================================================== D I G E S T A N D S I N G L E P O S T I N G S =================================================== If you wish to receive the digest version of ACCMAIL (that is, all postings combined together and sent out at the end of each day): To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leave blank] body of the message SET ACCMAIL DIGEST If you wish to receive the individual postings to ACCMAIL (that is, each posting as it is approved in a separate message): To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leave blank] body of the message SET ACCMAIL NODIGESTS or SET ACCMAIL MAIL ========= O T H E R ========= If you have had good luck with a piece of email software or other software that works well, please inform the list. Likewise, for support and help lines. ACCMAIL uses LISTSERV "topics", which allows people to subscribe to a subset of postings. If you have any postings that are important announcements about new servers, new tecniques, etc. please prefix the subject line with NEWS: If you considered all these files and my comments, your post will likely be very welcome on ACCMAIL and everybody will try to help you with your problems. If not, you're likely to get a short answer referencing one of the files mentioned here, or sometimes no answer at all! For discussion of this file, I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ============================= END ==================================== -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:01:10 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Sat 31 Jul 1999, posted Sun, 01 Aug 1999 05:00:17 GMT Less than 1 hour None 1-4 hours None 4-10 hours None More than 10 hours None Response within 4 hours in at least 5 out of 7 recent tests [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't reply to .net or .com addresses. This data is generated automatically around 0600 GMT/BST most days. The performance reported is dependant on many factors and your experience may vary. You can also access this list: On the Web at http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/stats.htm (We recently discontinued the copy available via FTP) Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and say "get file stats.txt" (no quotes) Want this list every day? Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of your message put "join statistics" (no quotes) No liability is accepted for inaccuracies. Mirroring, links to and copying of this entire file (not extracts) is permitted until further notice. Slow downloads? Try Mr. Cool! See http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/ Copyright Net Services 1999. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:18:00 +0800 From: "Richard Glenn R. Aceron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: submitting forms "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Use a www4mail server: >1) retrieve the web page that has the form >2) fill in the form in your browser >3) click on search (normally used, could be another word) >4) mail message containing your search or form is sent back to www4mail <snip> This may work for people who have full Internet access but how on earth can the email only users of the net do that? Remember, we are on Accmail. -- Richard Glenn R. Aceron [EMAIL PROTECTED] "'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." - =|:-)= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:54:34 +0400 From: doe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: www via email hi tell me plz how can i get web pages via email? -------------------------------- Sent by Z-Mail - http://zmail.ru ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:43:45 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: submitting forms At 11:18 AM 8/1/99 +0800, Richard Glenn R. Aceron wrote the following: >"Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>Use a www4mail server: >>1) retrieve the web page that has the form >>2) fill in the form in your browser >>3) click on search (normally used, could be another word) >>4) mail message containing your search or form is sent back to www4mail > ><snip> > > >This may work for people who have full Internet access but how on earth can >the email only users of the net do that? Remember, we are on Accmail. Pardon me for getting peevish here with the above statement... No kidding, I never would have guessed that after 5 years of doing things by email and running this list for almost 2 years that accmail was for accessing the intenet by email. You can have a browser on your PC and that doesn't need full access to the internet. I use Eudora as my email program now so am now more familiar with using it than other methods such as Piine on my Unix account or my old OS/2 PMmail program which I used until Dec 98. When I retrieve a web page using a ww4mail server, it comes as an attachment to Eudora. I click on the attachment link in Eudora and my browser opens with the web page form. I then fill out the form and click on the search or submit button in the browser. This in turns generates AN EMAIL MESSAGE that is sent back to the same www4mail server. Now where in the above did I say you need a full Internet connection? -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:22:05 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: www via email At 11:54 AM 8/1/99 +0400, doe wrote the following: >tell me plz how can i get web pages via email? Start with the Accmail FAQ This document is now available from several automated mail servers. To get the latest edition, send email to one of the addresses below. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for US, Canada & South America) Enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for Europe, Asia, etc.) Enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send lis-iis e-access-inet.txt Then use Agora or www4mail methods to retrieve my servers listing: send http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1236/servers.html Then retreive the help files for the servers you wish to use... -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ End of ACCMAIL Digest - 31 Jul 1999 to 1 Aug 1999 (#1999-214) *************************************************************
