There are 20 messages totalling 847 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. share more mail-server? 2. About Virtual Networks 3. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics 4. Search 5. Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? (2) 6. WWW4 Server "Get selected Documents' does not work. 7. deja.com registering (2) 8. Images (2) 9. NeoPlanet 10. Problems with servers 11. Excellent Idea...!!MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOUT LISZTER!!! 12. joining files splitted by www4mail servers 13. How to Unsubscribe Accmail from the other mail address? (2) 14. Line splitter for [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15. WSINFIND.FAQ 16. NEWS: Another DEFUNCT ftpmail server? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACCMAIL Info (automatically generated) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To UNSUBscribe: Send UNSUBSCRIBE ACCMAIL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get the ACCMAIL FAQ: Send e-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:33:57 -0400 From: JIAN SUN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: share more mail-server? Would any accmailler share some faverite mail-server which include sufficient resouces like MIT etc.? Here "mail-server" refers to these severs whose contents can be obtained by accmail method. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:25:02 -0700 From: Abel Molina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: About Virtual Networks Hello Where can I find a public VPN server or a public WINS server. I want to be able to establish an IPX connection with another machine over the Internet. Any sugestion will be welcome. Thanks --------------------------------<BVEBVE>-------------------------------- Abel Molina Landri�n Ing. Telecomunicaciones CENIAInternet. http://www.ceniai.inf.cu Dpto. Instalaciones 53-7-243601 al 03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ-UIN: 16840237 FAX: 1-815-3665792 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:00:52 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Mon 13 Sep 1999, posted Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:00:02 GMT Less than 1 hour [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-4 hours None 4-10 hours None More than 10 hours None Response within 4 hours in at least 5 out of 7 recent tests [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't reply to .net or .com addresses. This data is generated automatically around 0600 GMT/BST most days. The performance reported is dependant on many factors and your experience may vary. You can also access this list: On the Web at http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/stats.htm (We recently discontinued the copy available via FTP) Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and say "get file stats.txt" (no quotes) Want this list every day? Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of your message put "join statistics" (no quotes) No liability is accepted for inaccuracies. Mirroring, links to and copying of this entire file (not extracts) is permitted until further notice. Slow downloads? Try Mr. Cool! See http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/ Copyright Net Services 1999. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:23:23 +0500 From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Search You can try sending "Search Global <Keyword>" to Listserv. Azeem Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:01:04 +0530 From: YOUR LOVER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Search! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gerald, suppose i want to search for a mailing list related to a particular topic of my interest (say for example "computers"), then what do i have to do to get a list of mailing lists.For instance what command do i have to give to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:14:21 +0500 From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? This was response from WWW4 when asked to download URL : http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html. (This comes under the site www.rediff.com) "Error 403 - Forbidden - Access to requested page/site is forbidden Unable to get vaild HOSTNAME for 202.54.124.23." What is the problem ? Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:33:53 +0500 From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: WWW4 Server "Get selected Documents' does not work. Dear Listers, When I request any page from WWW4 typing just the page address without 'get' or 'send' commands, WWW4 sends back the page with original layout with colous, tables etc with checkboxes for links. I check the links I want then click on "Get requested documents" button at the bottom. This opens up my mail program with the www4 address in the TO column without anything else in the body of the message. What is the problem ? How to rectify this. Or should I use only GET or Send command only ? Thanks Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:50:53 +0430 From: "Mohammad R. Arjomandi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: deja.com registering Hello, Going online, I finally registerd to deja.com, and gave my own username and password there. But I don't know what I have earned. I mean, I could perform "simple" search in deja.com for news without need to register, and "power search" in it can't be accomplished with emaily methods, whether I have registered or not. Sending a message to a particular group can be done using mail2news gateways too. Then, what is the advantage of using deja.com when we are offline? Thanks, Mohammad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:09:46 -0400 From: "Dr. Anibal J. Gonzalez Echevarria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Images Mr. Boyds and Accmailers: I would be very grateful if some of you tell me which document is about how to get images in Internet, with e.mail only, for example, I need http://www.uroatlas.net/fotos/lit-esp06.JPG I need specially the images, not the text. My best regards Anibal Gonzalez PD: I have wrote to liszter owner, and I have not answers until today. Great idea from you. Anibal Gonzalez Echevarria, MD Urologist Hospital "Julio Aristegui" Cardenas, Matanzas, Cuba E.Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:54:30 +0300 From: Subramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NeoPlanet Hello! Referring the subject titled Forms, I downloaded NeoPlanet and installed. But, I notice that its same like other browsers. Is there any thing special about it. Please let me know. Also, the procedure for forms submission as indicated the mail is not clear. Can some one give more detailed info. Thanks & Regards > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:29:08 +0200 > > From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: FORMS > > > > Greetings > > > > Doing forms with WWW4mail for email only users has been a headache. > > The 'XFORMREPLY = TEXT' can only be done with the 'wm.ictp.trieste.it' > > server, but its tedious and very complicated. > > > > I have found a way to decipher the form very easily. First you need > > to download a freeware browser called "NeoPlanet". After installing > > it all you need to do is change the WWW4mail form method from POST to > > GET and fill the from and click the submit button. This activates a > > email in NeoPlanet. The TO: field will have a long string. Now, all > > you need to do is to copy this to the body of your email program > > omitting the email address and line braking at every "&". > > > > I hope I'm clear. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:25:59 -0300 From: GB&A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Problems with servers Gerry, Your form is better than mine without doubt. I adopt it. garcibal Je 11/09/1999 14:22:00 vi sendis: >At 10:45 PM 9/10/99 -0300, GB&A wrote the following: > >>Gerry, could you ever (like in this case) make public (on the list) >the addresses of the owners of any server >>that will shutt down from now ? > >I'll try to do this from now on... > >I would change your proposed form to something more like this: >========================================= >To: owner one >cc: owner two, owner three > >Subject: XXX (agora, webmail, ftpmail, archie, etc.) server > >Body: >Dear XXX (server's) owners > >I'm a member of the Accmail (Accessing the Internet via Email) mailing >list. Most members of this list like myself only have access to the >Internet via email methods. Your server provides a valuable service >to me as well as others and is really needed. Please try to > >(from here on say what you would like done. For instance, >make it accessible by email or fix or repair it or start the service >again or something along similar lines). > >============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:26:04 -0300 From: GB&A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Excellent Idea...!!MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOUT LISZTER!!! Hi Accmailers, 1. What for you think web services put counters in they pages? They want to know how many hits has their page. Them if the page has few hits they change it or discontinue it. Its a "marketing" problem. 2. I accord that for mail services' servers the owners could install counters to know how much it is used. But the counters do not say to the owners nothing about users. The owner could not know that the accmailer has not other choice. 3. The most of the people think that everybody has full access to Internet. Do the servers owners know that there is a lot of people with only email access? Do the servers owners know that there are near 3000 members of ACCMAIL? 4. Do know some serrvice owners that they server if the "only one" or one of the few ones that give that specific email service ? Do they know how usefull that service is for a lot of peolple? Now, I think, we the accmailers could "have not the right to demand anything from servers' owners" but in any case we have the right to "ASK" them. More yet, I think we have the ought to ask them. It is right that the most of the mail servers (not all) are free but we do not ask to maintain it for a comercial use or end. To be an accmailer is not a bussines. If "they get 2500 pieces of mail", they will know how much appreciate if their services, how usefull it is, and that they have not been working for nothing. By instead I think that we make it not only for shut down services but also to thanks to the owners of some very rought servers like the 3 www4mail, the 3 gophermail yet in service, the old agoras, some ftpmail and so on. This may be a preventive procedure: Let the owners know how usefull and valuable is their service before they decide to shoot down it I propose accmailers to do this for one server each month, what do you say? We also could elect the "server of the month" and let its owners to know it ! We must try to be one step before the problem ! Sorry by the long message,. Regards, garcibal. Je 13/09/1999 17:57:00 vi sendis: >Hi Accmailers >Let me remember you one important thing: >ALL MAIL SERVERS ARE FREE. And servers' owners don't derive benefit from it. >IMHO, we have not the right to demand from servers' owners to continue the work, >if they don't want to do it themself. >If "they get 2500 pieces of mail", even if mail will contain polite requests, >it will look like demand. >With regards, >Alexander. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:16:52 +0800 From: CARL_M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: joining files splitted by www4mail servers if you are using a Pine (or similar email client ) what you can *exactly* do is to save those files in the order that you want in a single folder. the folder would then contain the separate parts in the correct order. i am not sure if this would work in other email clients. I use Pine 3.96, and it's email folder is actually a single file containing all the emails that i saved in that particular folder. \\\|/// \\\ /// ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------------- "Keep your feet on the ground, and keep reaching for the stars." --- K.C. Kasem Carl S. Manoso, BSCS-3 XavIeR UnIveRSitY -----------------------------------------Oooo.--------------------------------- do not accept if signature is... .oooO ( ) broken ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:07:37 +0800 From: Spring Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: How to Unsubscribe Accmail from the other mail address? Dear All members One question to you all: How can I unsubscribe allmail from the other mail address? My mail address had been change, but the past address still be working, so each day I receive two mail from Accmail list. I want to unsubscribe the past address account in Accmail list. How can I do? Thank you Xiaochun Pan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:41 +0430 From: "Mohammad R. Arjomandi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Line splitter for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dears, I know if the requested URL from the agora, getweb and www4mail servers exceeds one line, we can use the "\" at the end of the first line to split it over more lines. But this doesn't seem to work in [EMAIL PROTECTED] , that is the fastest webmail server for me. Do you know the splitter character in it? Thanks, Mohammad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:48 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? At 11:14 AM 9/14/99 +0500, S RAMAMURTHY wrote the following: >This was response from WWW4 when asked to download URL : >http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html. (This comes under the site >www.rediff.com) > >"Error 403 - Forbidden - Access to requested page/site is forbidden > Unable to get vaild HOSTNAME for 202.54.124.23." > >What is the problem ? Domain name resolution of IP address. A quick check of whois yields: gboyd>whois 202.54.124.23 No match for "202.54.124.23". Up one higher level is: gboyd>whois 202.54.124. [No name] (NS53387-HST) NS1.PURETECH.CO.IN 202.54.124.11 [No name] (NS58654-HST) NS1.INDUSIND.COM 202.54.124.15 [No name] (NS66820-HST) NS.ZEECORPORATE.COM 202.54.124.19 [No name] (DNS11175-HST) DNS3.MATRIX.CO.IN 202.54.124.20 [No name] (COMPA15-HST) COMPAQ.ANNETSITE.COM 202.54.124.25 So the problem is to figure out exactly which of these is hosting that IP address. OK, let's check APNIC (Asia-Pacific Domain Name Registry) because I notice that all the 202.54.124. IP addresses are in India. gboyd>whois -h whois.apnic.net 202.54.124.23 | more % Rights restricted by copyright. See http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html inetnum: 202.54.64.0 - 202.54.127.255 netname: VSNL-IN descr: VSNL - ISP country: IN admin-c: AK1-IN tech-c: NS1-IN remarks: service provider changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 980319 source: APNIC person: Amitabh Kumar address: VSNL, MG ROAD , FORT MUMBAI country: IN phone: +91 22 2624020 fax-no: +91 22 2624070 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] nic-hdl: AK1-IN changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 980319 source: APNIC person: NEERAJ SONKER address: VIDESH SANCHAR NIGAM LTD. address: VIDESH SANCHAR BHAWAN, M.G.ROAD, FORT, BOMBAY 400 001 phone: +91 22 2624020 ext 2167 fax-no: +91 22 2624070 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] nic-hdl: NS1-IN notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 951117 source: APNIC All the IP addresses in the range 202.54.64.0 - 202.54.127.255 are maintained by VSL in India. The main problem appears that the DNS servers that provide the IP address for the www4mail server that you used are not resolving the IP address correctly to find the domain name. Hence, the error message. A whois check of rediff.com is OK. That is, if the web page used a domain name instead of an IP address, it would be found easily. My own check of changing the IP address to www.rediff.com will only find the main web page but not the travel availability web page that uses the IP address. http://www.rediff.com/rail-air/index.html The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. However, http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html gives a nice railways/airlines availability web page. So IP address resolution from the www4mail server is the problem... gboyd>whois rediff.com | more Registrant: Rediff Commuinication P. Ltd. (REDIFF2-DOM) 15/17 B Raghavji Building Raghavji Road Mumbai, Maharashtra 400 036 INDIA Domain Name: REDIFF.COM Administrative Contact: Mumbai, Maharashtra 400 036 INDIA Domain Name: REDIFF.COM Administrative Contact: Dwarkadas, Arti (AD6107) [EMAIL PROTECTED] +91 22 370 8148 (FAX) +91 22 370 8150 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Patwardhan, Mahesh (MP5057) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 91-22-380-8147 (FAX) 91-22-380-8150 Billing Contact: Dwarkadas, Arti (AD6107) [EMAIL PROTECTED] +91 22 370 8148 (FAX) +91 22 370 8150 Record last updated on 27-Aug-99. Record created on 08-Feb-97. Database last updated on 13-Sep-99 04:51:13 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: SCA03.AUTH.DNS.EXODUS.NET 209.185.253.230 SCA04.AUTH.DNS.EXODUS.NET 216.32.104.10 -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:26:01 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How to Unsubscribe Accmail from the other mail address? At 03:07 PM 9/14/99 +0800, Spring Pan wrote the following: >One question to you all: >How can I unsubscribe allmail from the other mail address? >My mail address had been change, but the past address still be working, so >each day I receive two mail from Accmail list. >I want to unsubscribe the past address account in Accmail list. How can I >do? General note to all members. The address you use to subscribe is the same one you must use to unsubscribe -- this is just how LISTSERV mailing lists work. If you are going to change your address the best method is to unsubscribe using the old address and then subscribe using the new address. If you don't want to lose mail then make sure you subscribe using the new address first. If you have to get rid of the old address before using the new address, then just send a note to me telling me which address to unsubscribe and which new address to subscribe. I can unsubscribe an old address and re-subscribe a new address easily enough. Note to Spring Pan. You have these two addresses currently subscribed. Spring1 Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spring Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Send me a note telling me which one to unsubscribe. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:42:37 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: WSINFIND.FAQ At 02:11 PM 9/10/99 PDT, J�rel DD Arbaugh wrote the following: >The current form on infind appears to be broken. > >1: There appears to be no /form tag. >2: All requests appear to come up with a "404 Not Found" error. > >Is this some thing now, or did I miss some thing? All my WSxxxx FAQs where originally written to be used via Agora servers with a "send string" request. Most of them still work with www4mail servers although many find it easier to retrieve the main web page and fill out the search form and resubmit. Hence, none of my WSxxxx FAQs have any form/tags or HTML coding in them. So what is actually wrong with this string?: send http://www.infind.com/infind/infind.exe?query=spam&time=7 If you are speaking of www4mail retrieval of the main web page, I fail to see a problem. The page looks like this (in part): <form method="GET" action="http://www.infind.com/infind/infind.exe" target="_top" name="infind"> I notice it doesn't appear to have an ending form tag </form> so maybe this is the problem. If so, add one just after the time selection and before the </table> end tag. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:46 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: deja.com registering At 11:50 AM 9/14/99 +0430, Mohammad R. Arjomandi wrote the following: >Then, what is the advantage of using deja.com when we are offline? To receive Usenet postings via email. If you use the sign-up web page, Deja then asks you to select some Newsgroups for yourself. After selecting them you have the option of changing the view from at Deja's web page to retrieving them via email. This is a complicated method to do what many members used to do at reference.com That is, receive postings from selected newsgroups via email on a daily basis (or whenever they where posted). Another address for accmailers to contact concerning making the seign-up page and access to the newsgroups available to email only usrers. Send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a message I sent in July: >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:51 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: User mail: My Deja > >Could you possibly find it your hearts >to set up the MyDeja signup via email >only methods? > >The reason for this request is that I'm >the owner of the Accmail mailing list >(Accessing the Internet by Email) and >represent some 2400 users in 80 >countries world-wide that only access >the 'net via email. > >Since the almost total demise of gopher, >email only users only have one method of >retrieving usenet postings by email, >that is, gophermail. But alas, that is >almost non-existant. > >The MyDeja service is great, that is, >receiving usenet postings via email, >but, your signup page requires web >access and this is an impossibility for >most of the accmail community. > >Since the demise of reference.com, the >accmail members are at an extreme >disadvantage. > >Thanks for listening... This is the reply I received: >Greetings, > >Thank you for contacting Deja.com customer support. > Thank you very much for the suggestions you made. > >I will make sure your suggestions get forwarded to the correct group. We >here at Deja.com are always happy to hear from our users so please keep the >suggestions coming! > >Please include all previous threads in your reply. >(AOL users may need to use the "forward" option instead of "reply") > >Thank you, > >User Liaison 8 >Customer Support >Deja, Inc. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:40 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NEWS: Another DEFUNCT ftpmail server? Accmailers, I received a note from a member saying that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Germany) has NOT responded in the past 2 weeks. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:59:31 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Images At 08:09 AM 9/14/99 -0400, Dr. Anibal J. Gonzalez Echevarria wrote the following: >I would be very grateful if some of you tell me which document is about >how to get images in Internet, with e.mail only, for example, I need >http://www.uroatlas.net/fotos/lit-esp06.JPG >I need specially the images, not the text. Well the one you asked for isn't there. They only have these: Lit-ri-1.JPG 23-Aug-1998 05:59 35k coral-a.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 33k coral-b.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 46k crl-rd2.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 33k lpmrd-bw.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 27k lt-cist1.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 53k lt-cist2.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 72k lt-crl4a.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 67k lt-crl4b.jpg 23-Aug-1998 05:59 69k lt-ri-2.jpg 23-Aug-1998 06:00 40k lt-ur-bw.jpg 23-Aug-1998 06:00 34k lt-uric1.jpg 23-Aug-1998 06:00 88k lt-uric2.jpg 23-Aug-1998 06:00 60k lt-uric3.jpg 23-Aug-1998 06:00 72k pielo-a-02.jpg 23-Aug-1998 06:00 13k Use an Agora server, and a send request: send http://www.uroatlas.net/fotos/xxxxxxxxx where xxxxxx is the image you want. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ End of ACCMAIL Digest - 13 Sep 1999 to 14 Sep 1999 (#1999-258) **************************************************************
