There are 21 messages totalling 880 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. <No subject given> (3) 2. Excellent Idea...!!MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOUT LISZTER!!! 3. ACCMAIL Digest - 13 Sep 1999 to 14 Sep 1999 (#1999-258) 4. Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? (3) 5. Postscript File 6. WWW4 Server "Get selected Documents' does not work 7. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics 8. How to reply to accmail with the original message? 9. accessing http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html 10. How to preserve Mail Services 11. Attachments in pine 4.10 12. Veronica & Jughead servers 13. How to Unsubscribe Accmail from the other mail address? 14. www4mail & Opera 3.60 15. Our membership's unconscionable APATHY.. 16. LYNXIMGMAP 17. joining files splitted by www4mail servers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACCMAIL Info (automatically generated) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To UNSUBscribe: Send UNSUBSCRIBE ACCMAIL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get the ACCMAIL FAQ: Send e-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:56:30 -0400 From: Ismael Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <No subject given> Hello Accmailers! How can I find Eudora and Netscape for free? Ismael. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:12:27 -0400 From: Sorin Calinescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Excellent Idea...!!MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOUT LISZTER!!! At 05:57 PM 9/13/99 +0300, Alexander F. Chernetsky wrote the following: >Let me remember you one important thing: >ALL MAIL SERVERS ARE FREE. And servers' owners don't derive benefit from it. >IMHO, we have not the right to demand from servers' owners to continue the work, >if they don't want to do it themself. >If "they get 2500 pieces of mail", even if mail will contain polite requests, >it will look like demand. Dear Alex, Please let me make some comments on your statements: First of all you should say ALL MAIL SERVERS ARE FREE - like most of the other internet servers - and there is nothing unusual in beeing so :) Then you should continue and say - if servers' owners don't derive benefit from it that's only because they are either stupid or lazy :( The benefits are most of the times coming from one single magic source - and that is COMERCIAL ADVERTISING! Mail servers get thousands of *hits* each day and I would not mind if in each reply they would put a short *comercial* text. So we have all the right to *demand* the providers to *provide* what is needed How can you think for example that on-line www is ok and www-by-mail is not? The real explanation of the current situation would be a little bit different. Text based systems like e-mail or let's say gopher date from the early ages of internet when it was mostly an academic service. Comercial providers came in with the advent of www and text based internet was than thought to be somewhat obsolete. But they overlooked the power of e-mail :( Think about this: there are three basic kinds of *transactions* on the net: machine to machine human to machine and human to human E-mail basicaly falls in this third cathegory - and that's why it will last as long as there will be human to human communication over the net! So in brief: If "they get 2500 pieces of mail", with polite requests that will look like strong demands they will think: Wow! there is a real potential market here!!! Let's quickly get down to the bussines or somebody else will be there instead of us!!! best regards, Sorin CALINESCU ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:11:45 +0500 From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ACCMAIL Digest - 13 Sep 1999 to 14 Sep 1999 (#1999-258) Dear Listers, This was the reply got from www4 authorities when asked for their help. Hope this will be helpful. Azeem India Well, Try the XJSDUMP command, then cut and paste from the browser window to the Mail window. I am not sure which is at fault here (Lotus or IE).. Thanks Clement Onime On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, S RAMAMURTHY wrote: > The option given in your help file XBYJS to fill up the body of the mail > when the "Get selected Documents" is clicked does not work. I am using IE > 5.0 and mail program is Lotus Notes. It creates a New Message form in the > Mail programe with the www4 address. Kindly clarify as how to rectify the > problem. > > Azeem > India > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:04 +0200 From: ONIME EHIMIKA OHIREIME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? At 11:14 AM 9/14/99 +0500, S RAMAMURTHY wrote the following: >This was response from WWW4 when asked to download URL : >http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html. (This comes under the site >www.rediff.com) > >"Error 403 - Forbidden - Access to requested page/site is forbidden > Unable to get vaild HOSTNAME for 202.54.124.23." > >What is the problem ? > Domain name resolution of IP address. >But it is actually written in the message as: > Unable to get vaild HOSTNAME for 202.54.124.23 While I agree with Gerry on this. I could explain how www4mail handles IP addresses. 1. www4mail does not allow direct access to sites using IP addresses. (A few months ago, some persons were accessing pornographic sites by IP address). However if the user does request for a site using IP addresses, www4mail will try to resolve a given IP address back to a host name, using DNS. Internally the host will be addressed by it's host name when scanning the list of sites to deny. If www4mail is unable to map the IP address to a hostname then, it prevents access to resources/pages/documents at that host. > So IP address resolution from the www4mail server is the problem. No I won't say so, the solution is to ask the site in question to clean up thier DNS database(s). A resource as valuable as rail information deserves to stay on a computer with a valid hostname. Generally DNS problem is a responsiblity for owners of the host. Maybe an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would help in this respect. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:23:26 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <No subject given> At 03:32 PM 9/15/99 +0500, S RAMAMURTHY wrote the following: >Thanks for the extensive research into the unavailable host name >202.54.124.23. I got the problem. But how to get the page by mail ? Any >alternative method is there ? I am not clear. Pls. clarify. It's looks like the www4mail servers will not give it to you. You can try [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or one of the agora servers. Last resort, try gophermail. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:32:25 +0500 From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <No subject given> Dear Gerry, Thanks for the extensive research into the unavailable host name 202.54.124.23. I got the problem. But how to get the page by mail ? Any alternative method is there ? I am not clear. Pls. clarify. Azeem. >http://www.rediff.com/rail-air/index.html >The page cannot be found >The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name >changed, or is temporarily unavailable. >However, >http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html >gives a nice railways/airlines availability web page. >So IP address resolution from the www4mail server is the problem... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:33:22 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Postscript File At 06:01 AM 9/15/99 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following: >Dear Listers, > >Kindly tell me what program will open the file sent by a WWW4 server. This >is an archived file. IE 5.0 does not open it. If we rename it as .htm, IE >5.0 opens the document as junk. The file is available at the following >address. Cannot retrieve it. >URL : http://www.rediff.com/computer/arcjun99.htm.ps > > >--0__=MxUr6wQ0VaxkaRdp8PBVUmHqT4q8A22V7ZsfAT1JGZzJ7nkClm6LFPoI >Content-type: application/octet-stream; > name="arcjun99.htm.ps" >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="arcjun99.htm.ps" >Content-transfer-encoding: base64 > >JSEKJSVUaXRsZTogCiUlQ3JlYXRvcjogaHRtbDJwcyB2ZXJzaW9uIDEuMCBiZXRhMQolJUV uZENv >bW1lbnRzCnNhdmUKMjAwMCBkaWN0IGJlZ2luCi9kIHtiaW5kIGRlZn0gYmluZCBkZWYKL0Q ge2Rl [snip] This is a MIME encoded postscript file. From the attachment name we can see the suffix ".ps" which indicates a Postscript File. Content-transfer-encoding: base64 indicates a form of MIME encoding, that is, base 64. I would suggest first trying to decode with a MIME decoder. After this, load or view the decode file with a program like Ghostscript. -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:42 +0200 From: ONIME EHIMIKA OHIREIME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: WWW4 Server "Get selected Documents' does not work >From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: WWW4 Server "Get selected Documents' does not work. Well, This is a problem that occurs mostly on the Windows platform. Especially when using one of MS I.E or Outlook, etc... First note that there are two separate software involved - 1. A mail User Agent: E.g Outlook, Lotus Notes & co. 2. A Web browser - MS I.E (all versions). First stage is Mail software calling the web browser: Easily - Most e-mail software can do this: Save attachment to a temporary file and call web browser with the name of that file. Works Okay. Second Stage is Web browser sending data to E-mail software: Type 1 - Create a temporary file and place data in the file and call e-mail software with the filename. Type 2 - use OLE or some other means to hand data to e-mail software. MS IE refuses to do Type 1 and does not do Type 2 correctly?? Incidentally MS official position on this is that thier browsers will not support sending form data by e-mail. See http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q154/8/64.asp Luckily there is a Javascript technique for transferring form data by e-mail. MS IE (versions 4 and above) support this but the mail software must support the ability for the caller to specify the From:, To: and Subject: lines on the command line. www4mail tries to request this mode from your web browser, if you specify the XBYJS command. It would not work if your e-mail software does not support calling with command line options. Apart from the fact that not all e-mail software accept command line options, they may use different keywords to specify the values of the Fields. Some of the windows e-mail software do not support the Javascript options. www4mail provides another variation of the javascript technique XJSDUMP This will cause the browser to show in it's mail body what should be placed in the mail body, It is up to the user to cut and paste from the browser window to the mail window. So my request to the users of www4mail who have such a problem would be to carry out a test and find out which option(s) the browser can pass to your Mail Client and What the client can accept from the browser. The results can be sent by e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clement Onime ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:32:29 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Tue 14 Sep 1999, posted Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:31:24 GMT Less than 1 hour [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-4 hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4-10 hours None More than 10 hours None Response within 4 hours in at least 5 out of 7 recent tests [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't reply to .net or .com addresses. 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See http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/ Copyright Net Services 1999. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:47:32 +0800 From: CARL_M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: How to reply to accmail with the original message? dear accmailers, i find it awkward to reply to a particular query of an accmailer without including the original message. i am using pine 3.96, and if i want to respond to a message, the whole message (accmail digest) will be included. furthermore, i have to manually put the subject of the message i am responding to. the pine mailer automatically puts RE:ACCMAIL DIGEST... so i have to replace it with RE:<original subject of query>. can anyone teach me how to reply to a particular accmail query without including the whole accmail digest (only the message i want to reply to)? thank you in advance \\\|/// \\\ /// ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------------- "Keep your feet on the ground, and keep reaching for the stars." --- K.C. Kasem Carl S. Manoso, BSCS-3 XavIeR UnIveRSitY -----------------------------------------Oooo.--------------------------------- email signature .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:58:57 +0800 From: CARL_M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: accessing http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html after reading about the problem on accessing http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html i tried to access it using good ol' Lynx Browser (text-only browser) earlier (actually i immediately wrote this email after finding the result) and GOOD NEWS: the page thus *exist* and can be accesed BAD NEWS: i have to agree with gboyd that the problem is with the www4mail server \\\|/// \\\ /// ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------------- "Keep your feet on the ground, and keep reaching for the stars." --- K.C. Kasem Carl S. Manoso, BSCS-3 XavIeR UnIveRSitY -----------------------------------------Oooo.--------------------------------- email signature .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:32:46 +0200 From: Philippe HAYER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: How to preserve Mail Services Hi Accmailers, Everybody is right to clame to preserve liztser, cause it's a good service . But as Alexander F. Chernetsky said, this is a free service. Yesterday i sent a mail to topical.com and they had answered : > ... I am forwarding it to the appropriate >department to determine if these features should be added in future >versions of Topica... So, they seem to take care of our needs, but not tomorrow and perhaps not in the same way... What can we do know ? These services seem to be based on freeware software. Why not share our time, knowledge, resources to provide these services ? First, we need softwares : Where are located sources of softwares ? I picked up getweb sources few weeks ago. Good reading to discover perl! What is the download url for ftpmail sources? and for www4mail ? and others ? Second, we need computers : Which performance (ram, HD size ...) is necessary to provide such services? How many 486 or other machine with linux are necessary to provide an acceptable respond time for our requests? (psst! E. Boyd! how many resources do you use for us? thanks for that!). Some of us have old computer dying in a cupboard. Wake up this modern slave to offer mail services!! Third, we need access: Who could share his Internet access to upload and download requests? For free... how much cost your access to the Internet for one hour in your country (day or night, including phone price)? Remenber, these services need bandwidth to work. 100 kbyte here and 40 kbyte there make Mbyte to download and upload ... and Mbyte make Gbyte ... If one can't do that, perhaps many could do it ! I feel that THIS is the spirit of internet community. P.HAYER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:31:56 +0200 From: Thomas Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? Gerald E. Boyd wrote at Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:48 -0700: >So IP address resolution from the www4mail server is the problem... Hi Gerry, Steve Song from Bellanet advised me just recently not to use an address in its dotted decimal (numeric) form (IP address). He wrote: > Just for your information, the www4mail servers will only > respond to requests with FQDNs (fully qualified domain names) in them. Though I was a little bit surprised on that - having sent IP address requests in the past successfully as far as I remind - it coincides with your observation. Ciao, Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:49:59 +0430 From: "Mohammad R. Arjomandi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Why do some Sites return forebidden by WWW4 ? At Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:44 AM, Azeem wrote: >This was response from WWW4 when asked to download URL : >http://202.54.124.23/rail-air/index.html. (This comes under the site >www.rediff.com) > >"Error 403 - Forbidden - Access to requested page/site is forbidden > Unable to get vaild HOSTNAME for 202.54.124.23." >What is the problem ? >Azeem Hello Azeem, Sometimes ago, I requested a URL containing an IP address from a www4mail server, and the reply was "Access Forbidden". I wrote to www4mail admins, explaining that there is no "unusual" contents in that site. They claimed that their server can't reply to these type URLs. Another reason for this "Access Forbidden" reply maybe somewhat unstableness of IP addresses - unlike domain names, which are more stable. Here are guys/ladies who can more explain, but I think sometimes you may have got a temporary IP address, even if you are not an ISP or server - for example, when you use chat, net-phone, or net-conferencing from your dialup PPP conection. Thus, IP address may be much more unstable than domain name, because IP address can be assigned to any users of server temporarily. If I have any mistake, I'll be glad if any list members correct these explanations. Regards, Mohammad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:18 -0400 From: "Lic. Noelio Garcia Bornot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Attachments in pine 4.10 Hi listers, The e-mail client I am currently working with is PINE 4.10. It works all right for many of the things we normally do; yet, it is troublesome while dealing with attachments. It suggests you to press "V" and then "S" to save it and ultimately it won't let me open them. What can i do? Thanks Noelio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:37:14 -0400 From: Sorin Calinescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Veronica & Jughead servers Hi Gerry! Speaking about gopher searches you say in your How-To html page: >Veronica by email >Sorry, there currently are no active Veronica servers. >As far as I can determine, the last Veronica server quit functioning at the beginning >of 1999. >My last full test of Veronica by email occurred in Oct 1998. As far as I could determine your statement is not quite accurate :) You may still try this one (as the one exception that confirms the above rule) veronica.man.lodz.pl:2347 There are also some Jughead servers left for gopher searches: dewey.lib.ncsu.edu:3000 gopher.ic.ac.uk:3000 gopher.utah.edu:3000 gort.canisius.edu:3000 marvel.loc.gov:2069 sunny.csd.mu.edu:3000 For those not familiar with veronica or jughead gophermail searches here is the general format: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject:PUT-HERE-YOUR-VERONICA-QUERY # Name=Veronica (veronica.man.lodz.pl:2347) Type=7 Port=2347 Path= Host=veronica.man.lodz.pl or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject:PUT-HERE-YOUR-JUGHEAD-QUERY # Name=Jughead (gopher.utah.edu:3000) Type=7 Port=3000 Path= Host=gopher.utah.edu Maybe the gopher-by-mail search chapter is worthwhile being maintained in the FAQ or the how-to although the information provided is mostly out of date? best regards, & have fun with your gophermail exploits, Sorin CALINESCU P.S. Does anybody know about any other Veronica or Jughead servers still active? If so, please post on the list! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:38 +0200 From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How to Unsubscribe Accmail from the other mail address? On 14 Sep 99, at 15:07, Spring (Xiaochun) Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can I unsubscribe allmail from the other mail address? > My mail address had been change, but the past address still be working, so > each day I receive two mail from Accmail list. I want to unsubscribe the > past address account in Accmail list. How can I do? I have prepared a file which explains how to unsubscribe from ANY list. You may retreive it by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a single line as the body of your message: GET SIGNOFF ANYLIST Uzi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:18:28 GMT From: Scaracco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: www4mail & Opera 3.60 Greetings ACCMAILers. Somebody know how use Opera with the www4mail forms? I must use Netscape 3.0. It works fine but I don't like it and it put a .tmp file in the temp directory for each form I request. I use Agent 1.5 as mail client. I try The Bat and it don't function with Opera. Have you some tricks? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:21:03 -0700 From: "H.Barcena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Our membership's unconscionable APATHY.. Hi ACCMAILERS :-) I don't mean to spark arguments on the list, but it seems to me that the majority of the people on this list have become apathetic and indifferent in respect to the steady loss of our ability to 'surf the net' using ACCMAIL methods. As I said before, if this terrible attrition rate keeps up, pretty soon we won't be able to use **any** ACCMAIL methods because there simply **WON'T** be any servers left... In a single stroke, perhaps unknowingly, by dropping services outright, *they* (the site owners) have continuously marginalized thousands of netizens. Why must we stand as mere spectators while we helplessly witness the steady disenfranchisement of thousands of netizens who, either by choice (my case) or out of necessity, surf the 'Net using ACCMAIL methods? Are we expected to just quietly, DEMURELY 'roll over and die'?? Imho, the Internet has become a very tough challenge... , for better or worse, The Internet has become market oriented, market based, ...and I have noticed that most Internet based ventures may have good design, but *MOST* are doomed to extinction due to poor marketing strategy.. Most of these services 'go under' because they have failed to build a "sense of community" due mainly to ill-designed 'market positioning' and a combination of mistakes in Web design and marketing strategy..in short, extremely great technical design and functionality COUPLED with a gravely flawed business plan. We used to call it GIGO-garbage in (to flawed planning), garbage out ( to naive business analysis) Great design and a carefully thought out funding strategy have become , not only the key elements, but *THE* critical, defining elements for Internet success. and most Internet-based services will EVENTUALLY have to adjust their strategies, and devise flexible ways to target markets based on an understanding of the real-life global economic environment...and carefully hone their ability to find the right funding partnerships. Either that or start finding an alternate source of funding: i.e.: Universities, governments, grants, fees, etc... To paraphrase:"...Money makes the {Internet} world go 'round." It's the same ol', same ol'.... Imho (in my humble opinion) the main reason for the demise of so many ACCMAIL-oriented services has been due, IN PART, to our membership's unconscionable passivity...(apathy might be a better description) CASE IN POINT: Another ftpmail server goes under..., Mr. Boyd informs us that so and so is probably defunct...And what do we ACCMAILERS do...? NOTHING!!..nada..zilch... imho this is outrageous...pathetic..(and I'm not being sarcastic.) (Except for Gerald Boyd, we all just mostly <sigh> ignore the demise and go on with our lives) Fer shame.. Some members have said we have no right to "demand" anything...that view is,(again imho), naively flawed...AND IT IS BASED ON A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL DRIVING FORCE$ OF TODAY'S INTERNET: However, some points require clarification: Let me TRY to make one thing clear: by emailing Liszt, we are not *demanding* anything...all we are doing is simple "feedback"...(Does the word ring a bell?) Most Internet based ventures THRIVE on feedback...in fact, feedback is an indispensable marketing tool....A high feedback rate undoubtedly helps BOOST their rankings in their sponsors and advertisers eyes...otherwise known as "angel investors". Translated: Site decisionmakers still require a sanity check on what's going on...Feedback equals Market share Clout: Their service either is or is not "marketable" based on market feedback.. Feedback is VITAL to their decisionmaking process... LEST WE FORGET,there is no such thing as a "free lunch"...virtual or otherwise...The Internet has become market oriented, market based, If a service lacks proven market penetration, it sinks. Case closed. Next... And we must learn to deal with that stark reality: The cautionary cloud over this whole scenario is the disjointed belief that everything that goes online is somehow, "free". Fact is, Nothing is free... Summarizing: We ACCMAILERS must also adjust *OUR* strategy and learn to flex and leverage our combined "market share clout" and become a part of the so-called "consumer democracy". Either that or it's bye bye sites... "If you build it, they may not come.." Sincerely H.Barcena :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:35:07 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LYNXIMGMAP }Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:50:46 +0300 }From: Mohamad Makky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }Subject: LYNXIMGMAP } }Dear ACCMAILs, } }How can we retrieve web pages with URL similar to the following: } }LYNXIMGMAP:http://www.alhayat.com/#alhayat1 } }using Agora or www4mail servers noting that I tried to get them by Send and Get }instruction but I could not. } }Best Regards } }------------------------------ LYNXIMGMAP: Ignore, most servers will not understand it. http://www.alhayat.com/ This is what to ask for, see below: #alhayat1 Some servers will ignore this, others will fail if included. It is a pointer to a location within the page. A browser would position you to that location after the page loads. Don't you hate it when it gets this complicated? -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel. --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:50:39 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: joining files splitted by www4mail servers }Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:58:55 +0300 }From: "Ma. Cri." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }Subject: joining files splitted by www4mail servers } }It is not the first time it happens! }I receive a file, in this case a movie, that one of the WWW4mail servers }has splitted in 200K segments. But their order is not right! } This is common. Go by the information in the end of the Subject: field as to what part you have, then save them with the part number as part of the name. When you can, saving them in a directory by themselves, in the correct order, will make some things easier. Better decoders will not require you to assemble the parts. The best will sort the parts by subject info before decoding. You may find that, if you can locate the inbox data file for your mail reader, a decoder like uudeview can decode directly from that! In some cases the inbox (or other common "folder") is compressed, so that you need to export the parts as you are doing. The reasons for the parts to arrive out of order are numerous, but it is actually more common for a relatively small last part to arrive before some other hugh parts, because its smaller size allows it to transfer faster. Some intermediate sites (see the Received: headers) will forward towards you only after they have the full message. With the parts coming in parallel, the first one finished is the first sent down the line. When the parts are all the same size, a LOT of relay points, or a "noise hit" (corrupted transfer attempt) of part(s) of one but not (as many parts of) another can randomize the order. Then there is the factor that parts of a message can take more than one path from point A to point B... -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel. --- ------------------------------ End of ACCMAIL Digest - 14 Sep 1999 to 15 Sep 1999 (#1999-259) **************************************************************
