Even knowing the skeleton process for it, its not an easy exploit, and
certainly not something that a script kiddie is going to pull off - it takes
more knowledge than that to perform.

Still, it is an additional layer of security, one which IMO is still a
benefit to all but the smallest shops.

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Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Empty root domain benefits?
> 
> 
> The point about the domain security issue is that, while it 
> would be very difficult to exploit the first time, it would 
> be much easier for others to do subsequently were the details 
> to be made public.
> 
> Tony
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Roger Seielstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:34:37 -0500
> 
> I'd have to disagree on two of your four points.
> 
> -Enhanced Security: it is indeed more secure to keep the schema and
> enterprise admins group in a different domain. The 
> cross-domain security
> hole is relatively difficult to exploit, and does require 
> physical (or at
> least interactive) access to a global catalog server.
> 
> -Longer names: There is no requirement for multiple domain 
> forests to exist
> in contiguous namespace. In fact, there is no need for them 
> to be related
> namespaces at all. In fact, it is possible to set the root 
> domain to be
> root.domain.com and have the production domain named 
> domain.com. The only
> requisite here is that you have a sufficient knowledge of DNS 
> such that you
> can manage the DNS namespace.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gil Kirkpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:15 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Empty root domain benefits?
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Cliff,
> > 
> > There are two pros that I am aware of...
> > 
> > 1. In the case of radical naming hierarchy surgery, e.g., 
> > acquisition of
> > another company, it provides a convenient place to merge in 
> > the new domains.
> > 
> > 2. "Enhanced security" for the Enterprise Admins and Schema 
> > Admins groups is
> > often claimed, but in practice an empty root buys you little 
> > with respect to
> > security.
> > 
> > Cons:
> > 
> > 1. Its not a single domain forest, which is the best of all 
> > possible worlds
> > when you can do it.
> > 
> > 2. It makes names longer than the need to; a minor annoyance.
> > 
> > Unless you have some overriding reason for multiple domains 
> > (multiple sites
> > and slow WAN links can be an issue), I would stick with a 
> > single domain
> > forest. It makes life much simpler.
> > 
> > -gil
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clifford Airhart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:01 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [ActiveDir] Empty root domain benefits?
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> >     The simplest domain model is the Single Forest / Single 
> > Domain. I
> > was thinking of using this model with an "empty" root domain? 
> > Does anyone
> > have any experience with "empty" root domain? Is it really 
> > beneficial? We
> > are only a small company with a few hundred users and have 4 
> > domains in a
> > multimaster NT domain model.
> > 
> > What are the pros and cons?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Cliff Airhart 
> > Answer Financial Inc. 
> > Senior Systems Administrator - Server Support / eBusiness
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