Then, given the end goal, (thinking here...might be a flaw) why not deny
that same group permissions to the %SystemRoot%\NTDS directory?  If the
issue is AD and then mucking with the AD files themselves on the DC, just
deny them.  Unless I'm mistaken (and given that I've just gotten up... It's
possible) the deny should override other permissions.

(Now, Joe - what am I missing...?? ;0)  )

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus Oh
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC

The only hole is that it still affords them rights to make screw ups to the
actual .dit file... 

-m

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Moran
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 3:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC

A quick down and dirty way to solve it would be to create an admin account
for each person like ADMIN_username, then put them in a group, put the group
in domain admins, and then place an explicit deny all at the root of the
domain for the new group and let it trickle down through inheritance.  Watch
who has rights to the group or you could wind up letting someone lock you
out.

This will give them local administrative rights to the dc's without let them
muck up AD.

They still can do damage through RUN AS and some other exploits, but they
would really have to go out of their way and if you mistrust them that much
they should not touch a dc at all.

Let me know if that works

-John
--- "Bond, Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Basically my boss wants to give the server team the ability to install 
> updates and patches, etc on domain controllers but not give them 
> domain admins permissions. Is this possible? My gut feeling is no.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Oh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 July 2003 02:38
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
> 
> 
> Eh?  You want to allow someone else to "change" AD in some way?  BAD!  
> BAD!
> :-)  What's the proposition???
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bond, Simon
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
>  
> Is there a way to create a user who can log onto a DC and install 
> software on it but not be a domain admin? To me logically you would 
> have to be since a piece of software you might be installing may need 
> to alter AD in some way. However, this is what I have been asked to do 
> so I was hoping someone may be able to tell me one way or another.
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Simon
> 
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