Probably won't work.

The deny is on the file system, but it all depends what's really writing to
that file system now, doesn't it? For instance, when you make a change via
ADU&C, I'd expect that you're interacting with a service (LSASS or NetLogon,
most likely) on the DC. That service is what's actually writing to the
directory, so the deny isn't applicable.

Roger
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Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
> 
> 
> Then, given the end goal, (thinking here...might be a flaw) 
> why not deny
> that same group permissions to the %SystemRoot%\NTDS 
> directory?  If the
> issue is AD and then mucking with the AD files themselves on 
> the DC, just
> deny them.  Unless I'm mistaken (and given that I've just 
> gotten up... It's
> possible) the deny should override other permissions.
> 
> (Now, Joe - what am I missing...?? ;0)  )
> 
> Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus Oh
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
> 
> The only hole is that it still affords them rights to make 
> screw ups to the
> actual .dit file... 
> 
> -m
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Moran
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
> 
> A quick down and dirty way to solve it would be to create an 
> admin account
> for each person like ADMIN_username, then put them in a 
> group, put the group
> in domain admins, and then place an explicit deny all at the 
> root of the
> domain for the new group and let it trickle down through 
> inheritance.  Watch
> who has rights to the group or you could wind up letting 
> someone lock you
> out.
> 
> This will give them local administrative rights to the dc's 
> without let them
> muck up AD.
> 
> They still can do damage through RUN AS and some other 
> exploits, but they
> would really have to go out of their way and if you mistrust 
> them that much
> they should not touch a dc at all.
> 
> Let me know if that works
> 
> -John
> --- "Bond, Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Basically my boss wants to give the server team the ability 
> to install 
> > updates and patches, etc on domain controllers but not give them 
> > domain admins permissions. Is this possible? My gut feeling is no.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marcus Oh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 18 July 2003 02:38
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
> > 
> > 
> > Eh?  You want to allow someone else to "change" AD in some 
> way?  BAD!  
> > BAD!
> > :-)  What's the proposition???
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bond, Simon
> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:15 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: [ActiveDir] Installation Priviledges only on a DC
> >  
> > Is there a way to create a user who can log onto a DC and install 
> > software on it but not be a domain admin? To me logically you would 
> > have to be since a piece of software you might be 
> installing may need 
> > to alter AD in some way. However, this is what I have been 
> asked to do 
> > so I was hoping someone may be able to tell me one way or another.
> >  
> > Cheers
> >  
> > Simon
> > 
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