RE: [ActiveDir] Migration Tool

[Byron Fackenthall]

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My company chose to use Aelita but we ran into a major snag.  The tool was only able to migrate about a hundred workstations at a time.  With 35,000 workstations to migrate we were not pleased.  The problem came when we tried to reboot the machines after the move to the new domain. We started with small groups but as the groups got larger the tool was unable to reboot all the machine.  We had to write our own VBScript to do the reboot.  They have professional services but they think that fixing any deficiencies in their tool should be a billable cost. I feel they should pay me for all the suggestions I have had about fixing their product.   -----Original Message----- From: Ellis, Debbie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:39 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Migration Tool   Our migration is very simple, and basic.   -----Original Message----- From: Morley, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:06 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Migration Tool   The vendors I've dealt with (Quest/Aelita) both wanted Prof Services.....initially I felt the same way.  Unfortunately, the products are made for people to do simple migrations.  If your migration gets complicated (i.e. simple=migration within a single maintence cycle) then you need to dig into the products.  THeir prof services provides the backdoors and the undocumented features to make life easier.  In most cases, the documentation provided looks nice and clean, but is utterly deviod of any serious technical content.   I've evaluated both products and my descision was based upon the lesser of two evils....really!      Scott Morley MCSE 2000/4.0, Exchange 2000/5.5, MCT, CCNA, CNE, CNI Senior Systems Engineer/Architect Global Messaging Services, Starwood Technology Center Starwood Hotels and Resorts, Worldwide   Phone: 781-348-7120   Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. - W. Edwards Deming -----Original Message----- From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:41 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Migration Tool We have used Bindview, I am surprised to hear Bindview only wants to sell professional services... Bindview has a tools division, and the Professional Services Division.  Chip Dibias is on reader on the site and works for Bindview.  He might be someone you should talk to maybe clear this up...   Aelita is pretty good.  They can do NT4 to AD, AD to AD, and Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2K, pretty well.  They like to sell tools, but also offer professional services.   My recommendation is to hire the professionals to come in and manage it like a project.  That way you build from the Vendors experience, and also put a serious dollar figure on the migration to get people to move their asses, instead of BWM about breaking stuff.   Todd -----Original Message----- From: Ellis, Debbie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] Migration Tool My  company has decided not to use ADMT.  We are in the market for a migration tool.  We checked with Bindview and were told they do not sell their products without also selling "Professional Services" . We are not interested in Professional Services.  Can any of you recommend a  good migration tool.  We will also be migrating Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003 later on. </   This electronic message transmission contains information from the Company that may be proprietary, confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited.  If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the address listed in the "From:" field. BODY>