I presume your using W2K. With W2K3, Ntbackup has the possibility to backup open files using shadow copies Also with W2K3 you could use Automated System Recovery (provides bare metal restore) Personnaly I like this because the process of restoring a server to a certain state is more automated. See it the other way. What are you going to do with your data if you are not able to restore the system it is hosted on in a fast way. I think it is important to also backup your system (maybe not that often as data backups) SYSTEM backups should at least include System volumes and the system state
Jorge -----Original Message----- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 14:40 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory Ahh - time for a philisophical backup discussion. I backup data - not systems. Backing up a full system, as you describe, is a waste of tape, *unless* you're running a bare metal restore product (which Backup Exec has as an option). Even then, I think it's a waste of money and tape. Here's why. The way the bare metal restores work - at least the one's I've looked at - is to build a different version of the OS install media that includes the backup agent. At recovery time, you boot from that media, at which point it reinstalls the OS then runs the agent, triggering a restore from the last backup. Any way you cut it, there's an OS reinstall before restore of any online system backup (imaging an offline box is the only way to avoid it, and that causes downtime). NTBackup's main limitations are that it doesn't handle changers (although the Removable Storage Manager apparently changes that in Win2k) and that it doesn't have the robustness of ancillary features available in third party products. Keep in mind that NTBackup is a licensed Veritas product. Roger -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jake Connor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Active Directory > > > We only have one server that is used for active directory users and > file sharing. I read that NT Backup was not the best solution for > backups because it wont even be able to back up files in use. > > I want to be able to backup my whole drive (the master boot record, > all partitions with files) so I can restore the whole server from > scratch but it will be like nothing happened because all user accounts > will still have the same id and stuff. > > If NT Backup can do this and all I have to do is install an operating > system to restore all the partitions and active directory without > doing much then i'm in! > > If you wouldn't mind sharing a backup script then I'm interested in > seeing it :-) > > > Thanks Ken! > > - Jake > > On Jan 23, 2004, at 11:26 AM, Ken Cornetet wrote: > > > For a small site (no more than a few servers) NTBackup is plenty > > adequate. Schedule NTBackup to run nightly and back up to a > > workstation's hard disk via a share (assuming you have a workstation > > with a large enough drive[1]). > > > > If you want to get fancy, you can write a batch file to > drive NTBackup, > > grep through the log file for errors, and email a report. I > can give > > you > > an example script if you like. > > > > [1] Staples has a 120GB IDE drive for $60 after rebate. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jake Connor > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:10 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [ActiveDir] Active Directory > > > > > > I need some real good articles that tell me step by step > how to backup > > active directory and RESTORE with software to another drive or > > something because I almost had a crash right now and company is too > > cheap to invest in a reliable backup solution or consulting :-\ > > > > Please help! > > > > Thanks > > > > - Jake > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > > List archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > > List archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%> 40mail.activedir.org/ > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
