Actually, I don't think it's a religious issue. The problem with SBS is that its not really the amalgam of Microsoft technologies that it's billed as, and as such you can't administer it as you would with all the same apps in a non-SBS implementation.
It's a neat package overall, but the requirement to do the wizard thing makes it hard for people like us to deal with it.. -------- Roger Seielstad E-mail Geek -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:06 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) And that is a real difficulty. The wizards should integrate seamlessly. Or the other tools should integrate seamlessly. Take your pick. I've got a couple of hundred client companies, probably 3 or 4 use SBS. I HATE touching the SBS clients because it's a fair bet there is a wizard for something that I'm not going to use a wizard for, because I can use one of my scripts or a native tool and do it quicker. (You can argue that someone that knows the wizards can do it more quickly with them -- and that's fine -- but I don't, and shouldn't have to.) It's a religious issue. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:19 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) Difficulty? <cough cough> What difficulty? [please feel free to take this offline] the only difficult issues we have in SBSland is cleaning up the messes from folks that don't follow the wizards.... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Thanks! This must be SBS Week. Was at a user's group meeting last night and the topic came up again. (Main topic was R2) Sounds like Microsoft is getting the message about the difficulty of working with SBS. > >Al Maurer >Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services IT | Information >Technology Agilent Technologies >(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639 >http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com >---------------------------------------------- >"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war" - Anthony, in Julius Caesar III i. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, >CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] >Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:57 PM >To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org >Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) > >Transition pack or www.sbsmigration.com > >Transition pack is the best way however lets you keep the Remote web >workplace and monitoring email even after you break away from SBSland. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>OK, since the topic came up: I'm trying to figure out how to migrate off SBS2003. >> >>Scenario is a recent acquisition where we want to migrate from company SBS to corporate AD (standard 2003 domain). Trusts are out. Hack is both dangerous and illegal. >> >>MS offers a Transition Pack (for a cost) to upgrade the SBS2003 to normal AD. Is there any other way? LDIF export? >> >>Thanks, >>AL >> >>Al Maurer >>Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services IT | Information >>Technology Agilent Technologies >>(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639 >>http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com >>---------------------------------------------- >>"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war" - Anthony, in Julius Caesar III i. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan >>Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] >>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:06 PM >>To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org >>Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question >> >>Nope. No trusts, no forests. We're the spoiled only PDC that must >>hold all the FSMO roles. We can do some funky stuff with pass through >>authentication, but no trusts. >> >>US versus THEM: >>http://www.sbslinks.com/Us_v_them.htm >> >>In SBS 2000/2003 the 'correct' terminology is Yes, an 'additional >>domain controller' is supported and not calling it a BDC. >> >>Member servers are covered by the SBS cals but last I read in the PUR >>the additional DC would need server cals. [that's my interpretation >>anyway but I get a headache reading that doc in the first place] >> >>Honestly ...keep in mind that with XPs, they will used cached >>credentials and you can log into that profile even if the network is >>down. Now comes the fun... who's doing the DHCP? The recommended way >>is to have the SBS box to do that...so you still have fun. If the SBS >>box goes down, I normally have ways around the temporarily failure >>[and even then I can count on one hand the time my network has been affected.... >>power mostly, then NICs, then switches, and one harddrive falling off >>a RAID. Get good equipment [and honestly either reinstall those OEMs >>and stay away from those preinstalled versions] and we do just fine. >> >> >> >>Medeiros, Jose wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi Susan, >>> >>>Since we have an SBS MVP on the Active Dir list, let me ask a question. >>> >>>Can I now make an SBS 2003 server a child domain in an AD 2003 forest? >>> >>>Before you ask why, some one asked me this recently at a Linux users group meeting, as his company has several remote offices using SBS 2003. >>> >>>Also on SBS 4.5, one could have a BDC as a backup, can this also be done with a DC or are you " Sh.T out of luck " when a box fails? >>> >>>Jose >>> >>> >>>List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >>>List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >>>List archive: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
