Trust me... it's a religious thing :-)
Those of us that have the religion of SBS don't see a problem with the
wizards .:-)
We're looking to start a support group for former Enterprise Admins who
are now SBSers <http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2005/07/27/59808.aspx>
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2005/07/27/59808.aspx
I'll be honest with you ... the first time I set up 'normal' server and
'normal' exchange I was extremely surprised how much manual stuff you
guys do in big server land. Forestprep and all that. The next thing I
was absolutely flabergasted about was how they trust you on the number
of cals. 'You just stick in a number there? And they trust you to be
honest? Wow." Blew me away.
Actually it's near impossible to get WSS [sharepoint] on a same box as
Exchange anyway. There are a couple of folks that tried and finally
gave up.
Roger Seielstad wrote:
Actually, I don't think it's a religious issue. The problem with SBS is that
its not really the amalgam of Microsoft technologies that it's billed as,
and as such you can't administer it as you would with all the same apps in a
non-SBS implementation.
It's a neat package overall, but the requirement to do the wizard thing
makes it hard for people like us to deal with it..
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Roger Seielstad
E-mail Geek
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:06 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question)
And that is a real difficulty.
The wizards should integrate seamlessly. Or the other tools should integrate
seamlessly. Take your pick.
I've got a couple of hundred client companies, probably 3 or 4 use SBS.
I HATE touching the SBS clients because it's a fair bet there is a wizard
for something that I'm not going to use a wizard for, because I can use one
of my scripts or a native tool and do it quicker. (You can argue that
someone that knows the wizards can do it more quickly with them -- and
that's fine -- but I don't, and shouldn't have to.)
It's a religious issue.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:19 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question)
Difficulty?
<cough cough>
What difficulty? [please feel free to take this offline] the only difficult
issues we have in SBSland is cleaning up the messes from folks that don't
follow the wizards....
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks! This must be SBS Week. Was at a user's group meeting last
night and the topic came up again. (Main topic was R2) Sounds like
Microsoft is getting the message about the difficulty of working with SBS.
Al Maurer
Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services IT | Information
Technology Agilent Technologies
(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639
http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley,
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:57 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question)
Transition pack or www.sbsmigration.com
Transition pack is the best way however lets you keep the Remote web
workplace and monitoring email even after you break away from SBSland.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, since the topic came up: I'm trying to figure out how to migrate
off SBS2003.
Scenario is a recent acquisition where we want to migrate from company
SBS to corporate AD (standard 2003 domain). Trusts are out. Hack is both
dangerous and illegal.
MS offers a Transition Pack (for a cost) to upgrade the SBS2003 to
normal AD. Is there any other way? LDIF export?
Thanks,
AL
Al Maurer
Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services IT | Information
Technology Agilent Technologies
(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639
http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com
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"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war" - Anthony, in Julius
Caesar III i.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:06 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question
Nope. No trusts, no forests. We're the spoiled only PDC that must
hold all the FSMO roles. We can do some funky stuff with pass through
authentication, but no trusts.
US versus THEM:
http://www.sbslinks.com/Us_v_them.htm
In SBS 2000/2003 the 'correct' terminology is Yes, an 'additional
domain controller' is supported and not calling it a BDC.
Member servers are covered by the SBS cals but last I read in the PUR
the additional DC would need server cals. [that's my interpretation
anyway but I get a headache reading that doc in the first place]
Honestly ...keep in mind that with XPs, they will used cached
credentials and you can log into that profile even if the network is
down. Now comes the fun... who's doing the DHCP? The recommended way
is to have the SBS box to do that...so you still have fun. If the SBS
box goes down, I normally have ways around the temporarily failure
[and even then I can count on one hand the time my network has been
affected....
power mostly, then NICs, then switches, and one harddrive falling off
a RAID. Get good equipment [and honestly either reinstall those OEMs
and stay away from those preinstalled versions] and we do just fine.
Medeiros, Jose wrote:
Hi Susan,
Since we have an SBS MVP on the Active Dir list, let me ask a
question.
Can I now make an SBS 2003 server a child domain in an AD 2003
forest?
Before you ask why, some one asked me this recently at a Linux users
group meeting, as his company has several remote offices using SBS 2003.
Also on SBS 4.5, one could have a BDC as a backup, can this also be
done with a DC or are you " Sh.T out of luck " when a box fails?
Jose
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