Question to big server land people?
Is the hardware you are buying right now support 64 bit?
Are all of these big businesses and governments planning for upgrades in
the next two years? We knew Exchange 12 was coming out... there were
rumors of a 32bit/64bit potential going on..... please feel free to wack
me upside the head...but other than the loss of a true inplace, lift up
migration [which has it's own risks]... what has changed?
There's been rumors of taking that Garage door person's database into
another database structure for a long time, right? Don't database
migrations suck in general as a rule?
Call me wacko, but I think the real issue here is not the lack of 32 bit
...but the "okay Microsoft you are going to have to really step up to
the plate and have a rock solid migration plan here". issue.
Inplace legacy upgrades leave in their wake permissions that quite
frankly suck. My sister works in Novell country [aka government]... and
I'm sorry big businesses and governments stereotypically make lousy IT
decisions, they don't allocate the proper resources, they don't have the
right people at the table asking the right questions of the vendor, you
only find out the gotchas after you are 2/3rds into the implementation,
and the decisions are based on politics and never using the right
decisions. Nothing has changed there.
I think it was Deji who said that migrations have flattened out. I
guess I'm just not convinced that saying there would be two versions of
Exchange 12 would make the pipeline speed up. Mail is so mission
critical these days... I don't think people rip it out lightly period.
Look at this from the other side.... is this the event that will
ultimately kill off Exchange 5.5 for good as it will be a performance boost?
If you are going to mess with mission critical and upgrade.. don't you
need to make a really compelling argument for it?
ASB wrote:
So long as there is interoperability between E12 and Ex2K/Ex2K3, I
don't have a problem with E12 being 64-bit only.
It's not like we can't get 64-bit hardware today. (I could see the
issue if they had said Itanium only)
-ASB
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On 11/15/05, Michael B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange MVPs.
I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a serious
mistake.
M
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think he
would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been delivering
products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly released SQL
Server™ 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server 2005 R2. To help
customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit computing, products
including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12," Windows Compute Cluster Server
2003, Windows Server™ "Longhorn" Small Business Server, and Microsoft's
infrastructure solution for midsize businesses, code-named "Centro," will be
exclusively 64-bit and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update
release to Microsoft's upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system,
code-named Windows Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete
transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and
64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of those
small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to buy a new
server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I am
already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with maybe
a BSD license?
joe
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where'd you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[email protected]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure
those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft will
announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product lines. As part
of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will be 64 bit
only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that we did not
make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions about why
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some background
on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit
that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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