<Susan wrote>I'm sorry big businesses and governments stereotypically make lousy IT decisions, they don't allocate the proper resources, they don't have the right people at the table asking the right questions of the vendor, you only find out the gotchas after you are 2/3rds into the implementation, and the decisions are based on politics and never using the right decisions. Nothing has changed there.</Susan>
Totally agree with that Susan, I've seen huge implementations, and multi-billion dollar contracts (did somebody say n-m-see-what?) based on political decisions made by some high level non-technical person, and then propagated while that person was still around even though it was obviously failing miserably and the price kept growing. I saw a $100M contract that was 2/3 spent before the hardware was even on-site, due to political design changes that we technical advisors kept challenging (like stacking all services - E, AD, FS/P, Web, etc on one small 2-box cluster, and eliminating branch office servers in 800-user branches) when we could have taken the other 1/3 and put in a killer solution ourselves, with manpower to run it when finished. Then they started to implement it and they kept finding things that didn’t work. I left before that, fortunately :) Rich -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement Question to big server land people? Is the hardware you are buying right now support 64 bit? Are all of these big businesses and governments planning for upgrades in the next two years? We knew Exchange 12 was coming out... there were rumors of a 32bit/64bit potential going on..... please feel free to wack me upside the head...but other than the loss of a true inplace, lift up migration [which has it's own risks]... what has changed? There's been rumors of taking that Garage door person's database into another database structure for a long time, right? Don't database migrations suck in general as a rule? Call me wacko, but I think the real issue here is not the lack of 32 bit ...but the "okay Microsoft you are going to have to really step up to the plate and have a rock solid migration plan here". issue. Inplace legacy upgrades leave in their wake permissions that quite frankly suck. My sister works in Novell country [aka government]... and I'm sorry big businesses and governments stereotypically make lousy IT decisions, they don't allocate the proper resources, they don't have the right people at the table asking the right questions of the vendor, you only find out the gotchas after you are 2/3rds into the implementation, and the decisions are based on politics and never using the right decisions. Nothing has changed there. I think it was Deji who said that migrations have flattened out. I guess I'm just not convinced that saying there would be two versions of Exchange 12 would make the pipeline speed up. Mail is so mission critical these days... I don't think people rip it out lightly period. Look at this from the other side.... is this the event that will ultimately kill off Exchange 5.5 for good as it will be a performance boost? If you are going to mess with mission critical and upgrade.. don't you need to make a really compelling argument for it? ASB wrote: >So long as there is interoperability between E12 and Ex2K/Ex2K3, I >don't have a problem with E12 being 64-bit only. > >It's not like we can't get 64-bit hardware today. (I could see the >issue if they had said Itanium only) > >-ASB > FAST, CHEAP, SECURE: Pick Any TWO > http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/ > > >On 11/15/05, Michael B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange MVPs. >> >>I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a serious >>mistake. >> >>M >>________________________________ >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe >>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement >> >> >>Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think he >>would have been beaten up pretty bad.... >> >> >>"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address. >> >>As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been delivering >>products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly released SQL >>Server™ 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server 2005 R2. To help >>customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit computing, products >>including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12," Windows Compute Cluster Server >>2003, Windows Server™ "Longhorn" Small Business Server, and Microsoft's >>infrastructure solution for midsize businesses, code-named "Centro," will be >>exclusively 64-bit and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update >>release to Microsoft's upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, >>code-named Windows Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete >>transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and >>64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and >>database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will >>continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come." >> >>The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of those >>small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to buy a new >>server when they want to get the new security enhancements. >> >>I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I am >>already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now. >> >>Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with maybe >>a BSD license? >> >> joe >> >>________________________________ >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond >>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement >> >> >> >> >>Where'd you find that? >> >> >> >> >>Thanks, >>Brian Desmond >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>c - 312.731.3132 >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip >>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >>[email protected] >>Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement >> >> >> >> >>This just in: >> >>"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure >>those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft will >>announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product lines. As part >>of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will be 64 bit >>only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that we did not >>make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions about why >>Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some background >>on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit >>that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP deployments." >> >> >> >>Martin Tuip >> >>MVP Exchange >> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] šŠV«r¯yÊ&ý§-Š÷Š¾4™¨¥iËb½çb®Šà/=== > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ -------APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL, INC. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE------- PRIVILEGED / CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION may be contained in this message or any attachments. 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