Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a
specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of
my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I
became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that
there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm
not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet
you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore
okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who
asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you
make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious
personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to
continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is
populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is*
offensive to some of those people?
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$"
term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you
realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use
it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did
it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the term,
regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly
occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term,
and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's
funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't
continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't,
however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a
tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's
"funny".
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems
to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time
and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you
like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee
philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$"
displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those
employees, IMO.
Laura
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor
preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just
dont laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere
is laughing at them. Just not you.
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Laura
A. Robinson
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
isn't. Go figure.
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just
that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and
people here laugh at it all the time.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Robert Rutherford
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: +44
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* 13 November 2006 12:16
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you
know. ;-)
Laura
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Robert Rutherford
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M:
+44 (0) 7974 249 494 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* 13 November 2006 11:31
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's
merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur.
Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as
"borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I
have been known to reference both myself. However, I
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I
think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it
on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf
Of *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a
tounge in cheek expression and certainly a corporation
like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as
slang in its reference. Thats why we nickname really
big guys tiny.
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf
Of *Albert Duro
*Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're
missing the point. It's not wether anybody is
offended or not -- the question is why does someone
come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.
Especially when it's not necessary. If someone
deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget
it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate --
no worries.'
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence
at what is surely as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of *Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think
it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$"
on an MS-focused mailing list whose
participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and
various other people who may have a relatively
positive view of Microsoft?
Laura
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*On Behalf Of *Jitendra Kalyankar
*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book
on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start
with...very good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
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Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett*
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a
lot of the posts on this mailing list, I
realize I could make my job easier if I
knew how to script. I have no experience
in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's
book on scripting? Also, I don't really
know the difference between WSH and
VBScript, so if anyone could explain that,
I'd appreciate that. After browsing
through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH
and VBScript, but don't know where I
should focus on. I'm also open to
computer based training (CBT) videos of
any exist. Thanks in advance.
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