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From: Albert Duro
Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 7:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Sonicwall vs ISA (was M$)
Sonicwall vs. ISA? That's a new one on me. I'm not a SBSer, but I do have a Sonicwall. Would you care to expand? thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ > (I would just like to go on record as saying that I thought Brett's post > was funny) > > In the MVP survey this year the final question was "give three words that > best describe Microsoft?" Boy howdy was that the hardest part of the > survey to fill out. Three words to describe the "company"? Youch. Think > about that one for a moment will ya? Ask me to say three words about the > people of Microsoft and I'd have that survey done in a nanosecond. Ask me > three words about the "Company" ...this financial entity that files 10Ks > and like what do you want me to say? > Microsoft (or M$ or MF$T whatever you'd like to call it) is a company > registered with the SEC to do business. It is a software company. It is > an entity. It has a Tax ID number. It has to make sucky decisions due to > Judges and Lawyers and Patents and EU attorneys and stupid EOLA lawsuits > and ......... > > The Employees of Microsoft (no abbreviations)... as was best put by a > Security MVP.... he went looking for the employees of Microsoft that eat > babies....you know...the ones he's heard about in those Department of > Justice/SlashDot postings and all that.... well he can't find them. Every > one of them he (and I) have ever met are sincere, hardworking, trustworthy > people. In fact that's one of the wonderful things about the blogs... > they do a total 'end run' around WagEd/PR stuff and show the people for > the people. Even when Brett didn't blog.... we knew about him via his > blog. Just honest people talking to people. And that's when Microsoft > truly rocks. > > I also know that in the newsgroups when I have someone who challenges my > views I find that ends up happening is not that I'll change them, but I'll > solidify my views. To those that use M$ knowing full well that it annoys > you (the generic you, not "you", you), if their goal is to annoy....they > won't change. > > The following items are bound to start arguments/flames etc. in my home > base community (most of these are specific to SBS, so my apologies) > > 1. One nic versus two > 2. Antivirus choice (with the exception of Norton Yellow Box consumer > which is nearly universally hated by all in IT) > 3. Sonicwall versus ISA server > 4. .local/.lan versus .com > 5. the lack of inclusion of DFSv2 in SBS 2003 R2 > > So I guess if you are doing a list of Arguments/Flamewars in this > community I guess I will say > 1. The use or non use of M$ :-) > > Sometimes you just have to let it roll off your back. :-) > > How about a lighter less argumentative topic change: So how about those > USA elections, 'eh? What's your thoughts about Stem Cell Research? > > Laura A. Robinson wrote: >> Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a >> specific person. >> Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of >> my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I >> became a Microsoft employee. >> That said... >> You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that >> there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm >> not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet >> you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore >> okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who >> asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you >> make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious >> personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to >> continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is >> populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* >> offensive to some of those people? >> This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different >> senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" >> term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you >> realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use >> it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did >> it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the term, >> regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly >> occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, >> and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's >> funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't >> continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, >> however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a >> tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's >> "funny". >> Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems >> to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time >> and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you >> like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee >> philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" >> displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those >> employees, IMO. >> Laura >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Bahta, >> Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA >> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor >> preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just >> dont laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere >> is laughing at them. Just not you. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Laura >> A. Robinson >> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ >> isn't. Go figure. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >> *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA >> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just >> that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and >> people here laugh at it all the time. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >> *Robert Rutherford >> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> ;oP >> >> >> Rob >> >> Robert Rutherford >> QuoStar Solutions Limited >> >> T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: +44 >> (0) 7974 249 494 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> W: www.quostar.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >> *Laura A. Robinson >> *Sent:* 13 November 2006 12:16 >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> >> There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you >> know. ;-) >> >> >> Laura >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >> *Robert Rutherford >> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> Can we kill this thread now, please? >> >> >> Rob >> >> Robert Rutherford >> QuoStar Solutions Limited >> >> T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: >> +44 (0) 7974 249 494 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> W: www.quostar.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >> *Laura A. Robinson >> *Sent:* 13 November 2006 11:31 >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> >> Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's >> merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. >> Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I >> don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and >> expect its members to think that's funny. >> >> >> I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as >> "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I >> have been known to reference both myself. However, I >> remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of >> those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I >> think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it >> on a Microsoft-centric list. >> >> >> Laura >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf >> Of *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA >> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a >> tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation >> like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as >> slang in its reference. Thats why we nickname really >> big guys tiny. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf >> Of *Albert Duro >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're >> missing the point. It's not wether anybody is >> offended or not -- the question is why does someone >> come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. >> Especially when it's not necessary. If someone >> deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say >> 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget >> it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- >> no worries.' >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM >> >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> >> I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence >> at what is surely as tongue in cheek _expression_. >> >> >> Let's not get _too_ PC please :/ >> >> >> neil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of *Laura A. Robinson >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think >> it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" >> on an MS-focused mailing list whose >> participants include Microsoft employees, >> Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and >> various other people who may have a relatively >> positive view of Microsoft? >> >> >> Laura >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *On Behalf Of *Jitendra Kalyankar >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book >> on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_? >> >> This is the link to M$ to start >> with...very good info.... >> >> >> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="" >> >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> J >> >> >> On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone. After reading through a >> lot of the posts on this mailing list, I >> realize I could make my job easier if I >> knew how to script. I have no experience >> in scripting, but would like to know what >> books do you recommend as a beginner's >> book on scripting? Also, I don't really >> know the difference between WSH and >> _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, >> I'd appreciate that. After browsing >> through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH >> and _vbscript_, but don't know where I >> should focus on. I'm also open to >> computer based training (CBT) videos of >> any exist. Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> PLEASE READ: The information contained in this >> email is confidential and >> >> intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you >> are not an intended >> >> recipient of this email please notify the sender >> immediately and delete your >> >> copy from your system. You must not copy, >> distribute or take any further >> >> action in reliance on it. 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