RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:35:14 -0800

Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
 
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people?
 
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the term, regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
 
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
 
Laura

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly, is exactly right.  You cant impose your own humor preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny.  You just dont laugh.  You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing at them.  Just not you.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go figure.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that, not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and people here laugh at it all the time.

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

;oP

 

Rob

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

 

There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)

 

Laura

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Can we kill this thread now, please?

 

Rob

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

 

Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.

 

I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.

 

Laura

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You have to be able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big guys tiny.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM

Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

 

I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek _expression_.

 

Let's not get _too_ PC please :/

 

neil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?

 

Laura

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?

This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info....

 

 


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On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance.



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