>-----Original Message-----
>From: mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:31 AM
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>Subject: RE: [admin] CLUE web-site
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>On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 06:56, Bill Traynor wrote:
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Ron Harwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:44 AM
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>> >Subject: Re: [admin] CLUE web-site
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>> >
>> >> the more I read about Zope, the more interesting it sounds.
>> >Here's a
>> >> blurb from
>> >> http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZopeBook/IntroducingZope.stx:
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >> This choice is kind of self serving as well as I will be
>> >undertaking a
>> >> Zope based project at work and will be learning it anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts
>> >> Bill Traynor
>> >
>> >If I remember correctly - Zope is an application framework...
>> >meaning that if you want CMS/Collaboration/etc. the tools to
>> >build them are all there - but you still need to either build,
>> >or find the applications, no?
>>
>> Yes, zope is an application framework as you describe.
>However, there
>> is a huge user community and any functionality that is provided by a
>> slash-like site has already been written by someone and is usually
>> downloadable for free. And if something isn't there, we can
>get Rice
>> to code it up in Perl ;). The benefit of Zope is in it's
>flexibility
>> and extensibility.
>>
>> I'm going to do some experimenting with it over the next couple of
>> weeks and see how it goes. However, if everyone agrees that
>the need
>> to update linux.ca is needed more urgently, we should use a solution
>> that's faster to implement.
>>
>Personally, I wouldn't bother with Zope, too much overhead.
Can you define what you mean by overhead and provide a quick comparison of
Zope overhead vs. PHP overhead?
>PHP is much faster and can do everything that we would want.
>Combined with mysql or postgreSQL, php is one of the best web
>development environments out there. For speed, only JSP is it's equal.
For what it's worth, the only time I've ever seen JSP be fast is on large,
enterprise class servers. But that may have changed by now as I was dealing
with it about 12 months ago.
>
>I actually wrote a message board system, www.ewaddle.com. It
>needs some major work but it's a Canadian project. So I have a
>good idea of what is required to set something up with PHP.
Good site, but perhaps you can alleviate my concerns regarding design. I
would prefer a solution that does not lock in layout in a slash-style, i.e.
news items in body, left and right margins, etc.etc. Can this be changed?
Bill
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